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Old June 6 2013, 06:19 PM   #47
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Re: Why do non gamers bash gamers?

Relayer1 wrote: View Post
Far Cry 3 is a recent buy and yes, there is some depth there, but there is also a lot of repetition (nobbling radio towers for instance), and fairly by the numbers collecting wealth to buy bigger guns.
I find that the radio towers actually break the repetition in that game as each is unique and provides some 3D platforming action in a game that's mostly about shooting things. As for the upgrades, while money was earned in a fairly standard way, many of the upgrades required hunting dangerous animals which provided some fun unscripted encounters. Two of my favourite moments in the game involved hunting, the first was when I got chased by a pack of Komodo dragons, the second time I got pinned down by a tiger and fell off a cliff.

I apologise if I came off as rude yesterday, but I just get so annoyed at the implication that games are a lesser form of entertainment somehow. It's like saying that opera is more entertaining than a game of pool, which is like comparing apples and spaghetti bolognese.

ralfy wrote: View Post
Yes, you can. Books and movies aren't "linear" in the sense that you can go back to particular chapters and scenes, talk to others about them, create other works of art based on them, etc. There's your interactivity.
Quit being wilfully obtuse. You know exactly what I mean.

This may surprise you considering we're both posting on a message board centred around discussing a TV/film franchise, but I actually do enjoy watching TV shows and films and discussing them with others. The experience is absolutely nothing like playing a video game.

Finally, if what you are looking for is "thrill," then nothing beats the real thing. But if you want to find meaning in that "thrill," then you don't need video games.
I can't visit 16th century Istanbul because I was born 500 years too late for that. Nor can I attach two jetliners with an infinitely strong tether because that's financially prohibitive, not to mention physically impossible. And if I were to try and do some of the things I've done in Grand Theft Auto in real life, I would be spending the rest of my life in prison. Or I'd die in a car crash/shoot-out/both.

Video games allow us to experience things we either can't or don't want to do in real life.

No, simulation is not "very much an element of video games," as the latter includes even interactive fiction.

The problem is that your definition of video games is so narrow you don't even include games that involve little or no graphics.
Hey, before you try and throw my criticism of your posts back in my face, could you at least check to make sure that it makes sense first? I included no such qualifiers of what makes a video game in my post. If it's interactive and works off a screen then it's a video game, and that includes old-school text adventures as well as the sudoku app on my phone.

Simulation plays a major part in the video game industry, just like set design plays a major part in the film industry. Not all games use it, just like not all films use physical sets. And simulation isn't exclusive to video games, just like set design isn't exclusive to films. But to say that simulation isn't a big part of gaming is disingenuous.
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