Umm, are you referring to some other thread? Because I see nothing of that sort in this thread. I think that Abrams and his collaborators have produced two movies that are reasonably entertaining and have good characterization but have some significant plot holes and credibility problems -- just like most Trek movies, and most movies in general, have plot and credibility problems. I think the movies were good but imperfect, and it's natural enough to hope that whoever directs the next movie will be able to both retain the good qualities and improve on the weaknesses -- which is pretty much what anyone would want from any sequel. Beyond that, the discussion in the thread is mainly about how the novelization fleshes out the story and fills in some of the gaps. So I don't see where you're getting the impression that anyone here is simply bashing the filmmakers.