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Old May 31 2013, 05:29 AM   #41
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Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
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No, these first reasons are why he lost the Enterprise and ends up getting assigned as first officer to Pike. Then Pike and bunches of other captains and admirals are killed. So of course, Admiral Marcus, with the best of intentions and no other motives at all gives him back the ship so he can take out Khan.
I was talking character arc. The movie starts with "Look, Kirk is still immature." and ends with "Look, Kirk gets his 5-year mission." but in between, there is nothing that makes him earn that.
Disagree, he earns it.

The way you presented the character arc is misleading and doesn't represent the actual course of events as well as how and why they took place. You are way oversimplifying. It's like saying..... PrimeKirk gets lots of alien tail during his five year mission, and then is promoted to Admiral!

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The actions and orders of Spock are what mainly caused Khan's ship to fall from orbit, Kirk was busy saving the Enterprise during those events.
The commanding officer takes responsibility for the actions of his subordinates. Kirk & Spock saved the Enterprise at the cost of 10,000 innocent lives. Even if you say Spock takes all the blame, why the hell was he around at the start of the 5-year mission then?
At the time of the crash, Spock was the commanding officer. Kirk was dead.

I agree with what others said though, yes lives were lost in the crash, but the alternative if Spock had not crippled the big bad ship would have been far far worse.
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