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Old May 24 2013, 07:30 PM   #40
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Re: Cumberbatch Shower Scene

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Sure, I understand that. The days of smacking a woman on the rear and telling her "good job, sweet cheeks" being condoned, and such are long gone, and good riddance. Women have had to put up with sexual harassment in the workplace, at home, when going out with friends, in almost every social sphere of life, as well as receive little to no support from their under-representative governments when it comes to dire issues like rape, and personal body choice, and that in most societies it is a male dominated environment where one is seen as an object of sexual gratification rather than as an intelligent human being who has thoughts, feelings, and is deserving of respect.
I like books, movies and plays in which people do things that I would never tolerate IRL. Now, you could say that makes me a hypocrite, but I don't think so. I like BBC's Sherlock, but if I knew that character IRL, I would probably hate him. It's entertainment, not reality, and the problem only arises when people allow life imitate to art. Some movies, books and plays ARE social commentary, and that's fine. But is political correctness necessary in everything? I have to live life with the realities of what being a woman in a man's world is like- I know what it's like. And really, a scene like this is just escapism. I think people are completely allowed to argue whether it is necessary to the plot, but I don't think it should be taken as an example of degrading women, because it doesn't.
We're actually talking about the implications of a comment made about personal space and gender issues in the thread itself, not about the scene in the movie or anything else specifically Star Trek related. So, in this case, it actually is reality.
True, but I was saying that people are treating entertainment as reality in this case, and it's not.

And yes, when I lived in Japan, I was groped more than once on a crowded train. It's such a problem there that they have separate cars in Tokyo for women and men. Some of the Chinese men that I was acquainted said that I must be cheating on my boyfriend (now husband) because I went to Japan for school for a year. And here in the US, I was demoted for taking maternity leave. And I have been called terrible things because I like sports (despite being married and having children), which I don't even remotely understand because I know many women who do. It's definitely not long gone yet.
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