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Old May 20 2013, 03:27 PM   #11
Timo
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Re: New Treknology Into Darkness

You are forgetting how the shuttles and ships, which have shields and can survive phasers and photon torpedoes and re-entry and the corona's of stars, etc, etc, etc...can't survive the measly heat of a *volcano*!?
We don't know whether shuttles at this timepoint have shields, really. TOS shuttles didn't necessarily appear to have any, unless such were specially rigged ("Immunity Syndrome"). STXI shuttles didn't necessarily appear to have any, save for Scotty's very special hot rod. And the ability to take coronal heat was a groundbreaking late 24th century invention in "Suspicions".

(Did ST:ID feature explicit references to shuttle shields, though?)

As for the volcano vs. phaser argument, volcano attacks last indefinitely, while phaser attacks last for seconds at most. Might make all the difference.

Oh, but Spock's *suit* can!?
Did it really outperform the shuttle? Remember that getting into the volcano took ages, and it was only at the conclusion of this that Spock rappelled down to put his suit to the test.

And really, they have NO cryonics in the 23rd century at all!? Can't freeze the poor dying girl, just because, as Bones said, they don't need to freeze people because of warp drive!?
I'd think they would have access to all past technologies; how much delay would be involved in having that access is the big question.

This would appear to be another post-2233 alteration, because all sorts of "stasis" technologies are frequently mentioned in the TNG era again. Or then there was a gap between cryonics going out of fashion and more advanced non-cryonic stasis technologies (such as in VOY "One"), much like there currently is a gap in man's ability to, say, go to the Moon.

I am starting to think that, given all the evidence in Trek history, transporter beams have the property that whatever is taken apart by them, can reassemble itself...like it starts a process that is...self-reversing...!?
Definitely agreed. Think of it as the way the flying fish move. Jump out of the slow medium, glide through the fast one, and return to the original medium is assured at the end. You use a machine to plunge your pattern into phased state, where it can be shot towards a target, and eventually it resurfaces into its more stable, non-phased state, hopefully at the target.

A machine the size of a briefcase doesn't sound implausible as such if it's used at the starting point to plunge Harrison into phased space. If it's used at the destination, then it truly has interstellar range and becomes implausible - but if it places people in phased state and this state then takes care of the rest, it's not really a range issue any more and you don't need to insist on machines the size of large asteroids.

The writers of this franchise are prone to do things that they think will look cool without really thinking them through, such as wasting an escape pod instead of beaming Kirk to the brig of the outpost so he can meet a monster.
Actually, I think they covered that one, more or less - the transporter had just killed Amanda, and might not be high up on the repair list of Olsen's successor.

this Enterprise's outside is not bigger than its inside.
From which it wouldn't seem to follow that its inside should be bigger than its outside...?

Which set are we talking about as being oversized? Even the brewery-based engineering should have fitted into the secondary hull without problems, and I have a hard time imagining Abrams coming up with a bigger set or location...

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