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Old May 18 2013, 08:18 PM   #2906
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Saw it with the family last night in IMAX 3D. During the warp core scene, the guy sitting next to me started to chuckle. I poked him in the ribs, causing him to spill his 48 oz. drink onto the woman in the row ahead of him. She screamed and sent popcorn flying for six feet around her, then stood up, turned around, and slapped the guy in the face. Now he's mad. He turns on me. My youngest daughter on the other side of me yells, "Leave my dad alone!" and bites him on the arm. It got weird after that.

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THERE MAY BE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE ENDING BELOW (SPOILERS) THAN SOME OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET WOULD WANT, EVEN IF YOU'RE ALREADY MUCKING ABOUT IN A THREAD WITH SPOILERS.
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This is now my favorite "Star Trek" movie. Number one, ba-by! My wife, not a Trek fan, called it, "very good" more than once. That's a lot like a Red Sox fan saying, "I'm glad the Yankees are playing well, this year." My two daughters, who felt dragged there, were laughing at the laugh lines, and enjoyed the spectacle. My ten year-old told me she liked it before I could even ask. Scotty stole the show for her. Abrams may not have created three new fans, but I won't be "dragging" anyone to the next Trek movie.

I won't repeat views already posted by those who've seen it, but I will say this about two of the more controversial, or at least contentious things about the ending:

-- I think Kirk's death scene was BETTER than Spock's in TWOK. It conveyed real emotion by both characters. Real fear. A real sense of helplessness. Real anger and pain. Spock's death scene seems emotionally flat compared to it. Did it borrow from that scene? Yes. Was it "borrowing" to the point of plagiarism? No. There were maybe two or three verbatum lines from TWOK, and that was it. Spock knows what Kirk is going through because of his mind meld with Pike, and it angers him beyond belief that he can't comfort his friend at this moment. He channels that anger back to Khan. The theather was silent during the scene. No snorts. No giggles. No sounds of facepalming.

-- The way that Kirk was brought back to life was perfectly plausible. It was not magic as I expected from what I heard on these boards. It wasn't just a shot of Khan's blood and he's up and about. It was a long and involved medical process of restoring his life then restoring his body and mind. (The way Walt Disney wanted it to happen to him, some day -- in other words, there are people who think such things are possible.) The process took two months before Kirk even regained consciousness. And just so no one takes the entire thing too seriously, McCoy's questions to him when Kirk wakes up are priceless.

The ending was great. Pine finally gets to deliver the monolog. The other thing was the ending was thematically appropriate. Mercy was shown to Khan. Starfleet's response to these horrible events was not the militarization of Starfleet (which was perhaps even justifiable with cause, now), but instead, the Enterprise is restored and begins the first five year mission of deep space exploration. Despite the terror, despite the danger, despite the years of rebuilding and healing that will still have to be done, the ideal and pursuit of exploration goes on as Starfleet's primary mission. That's not optimistic? That's not "Star Trek"?

Damn fine movie. Damn fine.
Saw it twice & will see it more. There was one guy in the theater (second time I saw it) who fell asleep & left & one who left after the KHAAAN! scene but they were both a bit odd anyway.

I gotta say that I'm not surprised by the reactions of a lot of the fanboys who are upset over someone daring to touch Khan. I was hoping that this would be an origional idea & villian & in a way it was. Khan was discovered by someone other than Kirk &the mastermind behind this, Admiral Marcus, was going to try & use the supermen against the Klingons & other enemies. Kahn was of course using Marcus for his own gains. Same character, different story.

I liked the fact we finally got to see a different city in Trek. Sure we saw New Orleans in DS9, but not much more than the area around Sisko's. Also liked seeing the way people got around, finally the hover cars we were promised in the 50's! Liked the trolly in San Francisco too, sems anti-grav technology has been mastered as well as AI tech. The guy on the bridge of the E (Gaitt 5000 I think) & the two near the end w/ McCoy that looked like medical versions of the robocop that chased after the young Kirk in ST09 were nice additions to the Trek universe. I wonder if the budget was there would robots have appeared in past Trek shows/movies.

Also liked the models of the NX Delta & NX-01.
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