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Old May 18 2013, 06:56 PM   #2888
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J. Allen wrote: View Post
I would recommend watching it again. I mean, if that's how you ultimately feel about it, that's fine, but from what you're saying here, I think you missed a great deal of the story. There is an undercurrent of optimism throughout the movie, and there's a strong moral thread running through it as well.
Yeah, it's possible my expectations were simply getting in the way, and I'll like it more a second time. After years of looking forward to seeing this crew exploring space in a classic, Star Trek-style adventure, I couldn't help but feel let down watching them in what felt like just a... straightforward, run-and-gun military mission to capture a terrorist.

It all just seemed so... humdrum and unimaginative to me.

And please forgive me for saying, but when I see "it has little actual Star Trek," or "it's not Star Trek," I just find that to be so wholly subjective as not to have any meaning whatsoever ascribed to it other than "it's not the movies I'm used to watching," which is, in itself, also wholly subjective.
Well yeah, it's my opinion. Of course it's subjective. But for me, while it contained all the elements of Star Trek, the movie just didn't have enough of that sense of romance and evolved 23rd century nobility I associate with Trek. The only side we really see of Starfleet is the military side, the characters are all thoroughly modern and feel like they could have come from any modern-day action movie, and there's no time to have a thoughful conversation about anything.

That said, you picked Nemesis as your "real Star Trek" comparison and not The Wrath of Khan (also about revenge), which doesn't make sense, because Nemesis was about revenge, uberpowerful technologies, death, and sacrifice as well, with no exploring at all. They even went so far as to break the Prime Directive by driving a dune buggy with advanced technology on a planet with a pre-warp civilization, and firing upon those people when discovered (Kirk, on the other hand in STiD, took every action not to break the Prime Directive until it became life and death). Other than being warm and familiar to you, in what way is it Star Trek, and StiD not?
I'm certainly not arguing Nemesis is a good Trek movie or better than TWOK, but we at least got to see Picard having a philosophical discussion with somebody, we got some character moments that didn't involve running around and fighting bad guys, and these still felt very much like the same evolved TNG characters we knew and loved.

And plus, frankly, I found the space battle at the end a thousand times cooler, with the Ent-E actually kicking ass and putting up a pretty good fight (unlike a certain other ship).
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