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Old May 18 2013, 04:29 PM   #98
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Re: Chakotay and Janeway romance

Captain Kathryn wrote: View Post
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Too many damn Bobbies.

Bobby Picardo was of course married, so he was out of bounds and a perfect gentleman.
WTF I've seen every episode of Voyager, most many times over and I never realized there are indeed THREE Roberts. I feel so stupid for not realizing that before LOL. I usually call McNeil "Bobby", Robert Picardo... well, Robert Picardo. Beltran I just call Beltran. I seriously should have realized that months ago... what the heck!

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Kate Mulgrew was against the first female captain "sleeping with her crew", but I don't think she realized that the character didn't have to just sleep around... Janeway and Chakotay could have had a long, deep, meaningful relationship. Even if they stuck it in during the end of Season 7, it would have been a more logical progression than C/7.

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There was a name protocol on set...


Robert = Beltan,


Robby = McNeil


Bob = Picardo


and for reasons that escape me...


Johnny = Ethan Phillps

C/7 never makes sense, don't even try to understand it.


teacake wrote: View Post
Captain Kathryn wrote: View Post
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She won't have a meaningful relationship with someone on her crew, but she was willing to sleep with a hologram in Fair Haven??? Nothing against holograms (the Doctor is my favorite), but UGH. I believe Chakotay genuinely cared for Janeway.
The Fair Haven hologram is just a pretty vibrator with a charming accent.
I actualy asked the male actor that very question at a con... which caused quite a few twitters among the audience as you might expect. (Thank god "Twitter" hadn't been on the scene in 2001)

He actually gave an insightful response to my "naughty" question which I appreciated quite a bit.


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Okay I am now going to take time out from my very important posting frenzy in the Star Trek XI+ forum to explain to you all why Chakotay/7 works. For personal background in case anyone hasn't noticed I have always been J/7 and I have never been a Chakotay fan (other than saying he's good to look at). So I should be puking over C/7.

Chakotay is perfect for 7. Not perfect for the long term but perfect for where she is right now. He's kind, he's thoughtful, he's attracted to strong women and he will never hurt her. She is deeply wounded and unsure of herself as far as relationships and Chakotay has the patience, empathy and natural desire to dote on her that she needs. .....

What does Chakotay get out of it? As we know strong women are his thing, but this time he gets to be the strong man as well because 7 needs him. She's kick ass but she's vulnerable. He can give more to her than Seska ever needed or wanted. She may not show her appreciation but as she grows more comfortable in being in a relationship I think Chakotay will see her blooming and feel that he is appreciated. It will be an important relationship for both of them and while it will not last (and doesn't in the books) they will part with no animosity and with a gratitude for the time they spent together.
Ok...that was a good argument for C/7.

But I still don't like it!
Yes, Teacake... you should still puke!

As you point out, Seven needs a therapist, not a lover.

What does he get out of it? Besides great "arm candy" can SHE realistically support HIS emotional needs? If all he "needs" is to be in the orbit of a strong woman what will happen when this man gets cut free from the younger woman who no longer "needs" his kind of therapy? After living in the shadow of unrequited (?) love for 7 years and then having/losing Seven (according to your scenario) will he just resign the game and retire to a monastery?



As much as I don't want Mulgrew to be "right", I fear in this instance she it correct. Not because J/C is inherently wrong, but it would give too many people too much ammunition to degrade our Captain OR our First Officer.

Look at the contention up thread that only worthwhile men can dominate the woman... so if Chak comes out "on top" Janeway is diminished... and if Janeway comes out on top Chakotay is diminished.

Even withOUT sleeping with her he's considered a whipped dog by many, despite standing up to her frequently in season 1& 2, disputing her in season 3's finale, going against her wishes in season 6 and getting demoted for same. Did Riker ever do that to Picard?

J/C, however, will always live in my heart and my fanfic, and thankfully in certain youtube vidder's works.

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