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Old May 15 2013, 12:04 PM   #234
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Re: Starship Size Argument™ thread

137th Gebirg wrote: View Post
I'm still kind of baffled how big the Kelvin was, as it was supposed to have been built in the pre-timestream-split prime universe and there has never been any evidence in any iteration of canonical Trek that Starfleet built ships that big during that era. THIS almost implies that there may have been a split prior to Nero's arrival.
What about, "they built them bigger in those days"? There was no evidence they built them bigger before simply because we never saw anything (in canon) from that era prior to Star Trek.
The models of the Phoenix, the Ringship Enterprise XCV-330, the Enterprise NX-01, USS Kelvin and the USS Vengeance on Admiral Marcus' desk give the impression that the pre-2233 timeline was the same.

Perhaps Admiral Nogura or his predecessor preferred smaller ships (what can the Enterprise-D do that the much-smaller Voyager can't?), and Admiral Marcus wanted bigger and bigger.
Locutus of Bored wrote: View Post
Here, I made this. There are five full decks on the rim of the saucer, with a half deck above and below for piping and machinery and so forth. You can see the giant 5-Deck impulse control(?) center where the explosion rips off the aft section of the saucer.

Nice! Although I thought that damage was the aft engineering hull and not the saucer? Sounds like I'm gonna have to see the film again. Oh well...
WarpFactorZ wrote: View Post
Locutus of Bored wrote: View Post
Here, I made this. There are five full decks on the rim of the saucer, with a half deck above and below for piping and machinery and so forth.
Really? So why do three of the five decks on the saucer have no windows, while the other two have 2.5m x 9m luxury windows? Who inhabits those three windowless decks? Steerage? The Irish? Huh?

Your lines suggest the windows take up the ENTIRE DECK HEIGHT. That's ridiculous. Look at any building, and ask yourself if the windows take up the entire floor -- including the space between floors for piping, electrical conduits, HVAC, etc...
If we'd seen a single window from the inside except for the one on the bridge which is floor-to-ceiling, your argument may have some weight. Also if we hadn't seen the deck heights in the Into Darkness corridor intersection.
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King Daniel wrote: View Post
It's the same size in both shot, it's only the camera that's moved from a long distance shot to a close-up. From a few pages ago...
You keep posting this picture where you just guess at the perspective so that your lines match in each picture, as if it's some kind of argument-ender.

In fact, all you do is post photoshopped pictures with slogans, as if they're some kind of argument enders.
Well, unless the "NCC-1701" is written in magical resizing paint, I post it as proof that the shuttlebay/shuttlecraft size is constant, despite repeated claims otherwise.
A picture is worth a thousand words - particularly in cases like this.

Here are some more:



(that's from the ultra-HD shot of the Enterprise rising from Titan's atmosphere available HERE)
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