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Old May 7 2013, 12:01 PM   #1163
gornsky
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

SpHeRe31459 wrote: View Post
Anyway, so for a mild rant if you will all indulge me. I am concerned that this movie is basically some kind of Michael Bay meets a big melting pot of Trek fanfic. I mean Section 31 is a TNG-era invention (DS9 specifically), Khan was the obvious fan bait (which even in-and-of-itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, just sort of annoying that's who it is since we all knew it), and the hands on each side of the transparent glass imagery and other clear homages (or direct copies depending on how you look at it), etc. tell you what they're going after.
Hi there,

I must admit I am not quite clear on your concern here? Is it Michael Bay mixed with fanfic? In a way, yes. It's edge of your seat, visually-stunning action mixed with the character interaction and relationships that fans enjoy and have written about for years, mixed with some reflections on terrorism, our attempts to combat it, and where we cross the moral line between defence and revenge. That sounds like the best of all worlds to me.

I'm also annoyed that Spock Prime is even seen again, it really seems like this Spock has thrown his temporal common sense out the window.
I like the fact that they are showing such respect for the original cast. Nimoy looked considerably older five years down the track from our last glimpse of him, and Shatner may never agree to appear. These actors, sadly, won't be around forever. How many more opportunities will the franchise have to embrace them?

Shouldn't he be picking an out of the way place with the new Vulcan population and keeping out of history's way? It appears he is not doing this.
I assure you, he is doing exactly that. But confronted with the prospect of you-know-who, and actively asked about him, he compromises his promise to stay out of things and advises extreme caution.

While it would be another spoiler for me at this point I'd like to know what his role in Into Darkness is. Since it seems he may have tipped people off to the existence of Khan, either said or unsaid on screen, it seems like that's the only way they would know (aside from a pure random chance encounter with the Botany Bay).
They explain how the Botany Bay was found, and why they were looking. Spock Prime has nothing to do with it.

It sure seems like this version of Spock just started a total brain dump of what he knows from the late-24th century of the Prime universe to give a leg up to the new universe's 23rd century Starfleet.
No, he hasn't done this.

I would think reminding us of Spock Prime would just make for an awkward reminder that this all has been done before in some shape or form, instead of letting it all just stand on its own.
That depends on whether you like the resonance and sense of fate and destiny between the two timelines (in the way the same characters are drawn together and the universe tries to heal itself) or whether you want a completely new and disconnected story. And that, of course, is up to you. Me? I like a little resonance, as long as it's not overused. It was a little overused in the climax of this movie, for me. I probably would have pulled back a little on the mirroring.
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