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Old May 4 2013, 08:28 PM   #10
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Re: 7X11 The Crimson Horror(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS

DalekJim wrote: View Post
LOVED it. Was expecting lightweight shit from last week's trailer but it was all dark and twisted too. My favourite episode of Series 7 along with Cold War. Finally Mark Gatiss starts to deliver the goods..

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I hate this Sontaran and Silurian duo, I can't stand it when they make villains into good guys. It never works.
Every now and then a post just makes me want to break something. The Silurians weren't villains.

Plus I didn't understand the plot properly, again.
How is this the show's fault? If you want simplistic shit then Star Trek Into Darkness is just round the corner y'know?

I think I was wrong when I said part 2 of series 7 was better.
It is! No Chris Chibnall, no companions that leave and come back every episode, less of a blockbustery feel and every episode has tried to do something interesting.
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We had the Rings of Akentanm or whatever. That episode alone should weigh down the entire part of the series as it's so bad.
See, the thing about that is, that's an entirely subjective statement. You may say it's the worst thing ever, etc. etc. But it was actually one of my favorite episodes so far of this series (I refuse to separate series 7, it's one long series as far as I'm concerned.

It was a terrible episode. If that's what you like about Dr. Who, then you watch the show for completley different reasons to me.
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They certainly wern't good guys either way. Moffat has defeated the whole point of the Silurians, that they were not meant to have human faces, and now they're all green lizzard women.
I prefer the original design too but the Silurians were always meant to be as diverse as humans, not villains. I think Vastra is a more interesting direction than merely repeating the same story over and over again with The Silurians, The Sea Devils, Warriors of the Deep and The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood.

In RTDs run, I never got lost.
Because Russell T. Davies made his scripts as stupid as is humanly possible to appeal to the Ant and Dec audience. The Bells of St. John, Cold War, Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS and The Crimson Horror are better than damn near all of RTD's scripts.

Even in the first Smith series I just about grasped it. But now it's too complicated.
Complicated is good.

We had the Rings of Akentanm or whatever. That episode alone should weigh down the entire part of the series as it's so bad.
It didn't work entirely but it was an ambitious failure. Whereas Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and Power of Three were pretty mediocre.

Don't think there's been an outright bad episode this series at all though, and I'd rank Asylum of the Daleks, Cold War and The Crimson Horror as among New Who at its best. The most consistent New Who series yet. Compare it to Series 2 or 4 where we were getting howlers like Rise of the Cybermen and Fear Her, or The Doctor's Daughter and Journey's End!
Then just stop with Silurians completley. And why not brng back the Sea Devils? They looked cooler.

Sometimes, not being complicated and even a bit predictable is a good thing. He wrote it with more care.

Complicated is bad. It means small children get completley lost becuase they're small children, and older people are too old to understand it at all. I don't like having to work to understand a script. I just like to watch it and enjoy the ride instead of fucking wondering what the fuck's going on until the very last minite, and even then it's sometimes not explained properly.

I liked them. I thought DOASS was going to be terrible and had extremley low expectations for it, but I was pleasantly suprised although I hated parts of it like the doctors "gang". Power of Three was suprisingly good too. A nice flashback to RTD.

I did love Cold War. I was disapointed with AOTD as I had high expectations for it as the concept was golden. The daleks should have been insane instead f just a bit rusty.

Wait, you didn't like Rise of the Cybermen? There is something wrong with you. It's one of Tennant's best episodes of all time. I can give or take Fear Her. I can also give or take Doctors Daughter. I loved Journeys End. It was a piece of art. One of Tennants best too.
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