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Old April 27 2013, 02:52 PM   #230
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Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku

Hartzilla2007 wrote: View Post
R. Star wrote: View Post
Hartzilla... obviously we don't see eye to eye. You're nitpicking minutiae and your arguments seem based more on your opinions than fact.
Says the guy making stuff up that was never said in the film.

As for the Ship and Nor the Battle to the Strong... they're examples of ground fighting and the types of casualties seen.
But they're not really good examples of the type of war the federation is fighting.

What they are fighting is a war of attrition with an enemy with limitless troops and ships. The particles are not going to affect that in any sizable way.

Hell the fact that the federation won without the particles pretty much shows how little effect there loss or prescience had on the war.

Where in the film was that ever mentioned.

Wow regeneration an optic nerve, thats so impressive

Just like when Pulaski seemed to think she could do the same thing with existing federation medical technology.

They even said it would revolutionize medicine as they knew it.
That doesn't exactly equate to a military advantage though does it. And it's pretty vague seeing as they never went into specifics outside of healing optic nerves and extending lifespans, so I find it dubious that this statement is enough to prove all the claims you made about these wonder particles.

sonak wrote: View Post
All your arguments are basically circular- Kirk would do it because it's the "right thing to do." Ru'afo has to be wrong because the film has declared that he's supposed to be the bad guy.
And all of yours are based on misremembering factoids about the federation said and shown in the the various series, a lack of understanding of actual terms with definitions, and an over estimation of just how valuable the particles are seeing they did not in fact mean the difference between victory and defeat in the Dominion War and that's if this film even takes place during that war.

care to be specific? What did I get wrong? Is taking sides against the Son'a not a violation of the PD? Do the Son'a not have an equal claim on the planet?

Therefore, it's you, with your use of "kidnapping" to describe actions against the Baku who've been using a term wrongly.

1. Either it's a Federation planet and it's not kidnapping

2. or it's just as much a Son'a planet as a Baku one, and therefore not kidnapping

you don't want to admit that putting it either as an issue of eminent domain or a PD issue means that the BAKU LOSE EITHER WAY, because then you realize how flawed the entire premise is. You're forced to change the argument to "prime directive be screwed, the Federation has to protect them" in order to salvage it.
"why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"
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