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Old April 20 2013, 04:22 PM   #70
Timo
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Re: When exactly did Marla McGivers die?

Khan valued intelligence, strength, and endurance.
...All of which makes him a bigot already. Adding other characteristics like skin color, age or length to the pool doesn't really change his character an iota. It's not something we're required to do, but it's something we can do at our leisure if that's our wont.

If he was a bigot in terms of physical appearance, how could he be such close friends with both Joaquin (from Space Seed) AND Joachim from the movie (they were NOT the same individuals!)?
Joaquin he'd tolerate because that was the way to get out of Earth alive. Joachim he'd obviously let live because he was the fully Aryan son he always hoped to have...

Note that the concept that Khan would prefer tall blondes is not something that's required to make sense of ST2. It's just a simple and rather well-working explanation as to how the marooned community would gravitate towards phenotype uniformity. Had Joaquin prevailed and Khan perished, only the children bred with curly "Middle Eastern" hair would have survived...

Although in terms of Hollywood approximations, all of Khan's fellow escapees (especially including Joaquin) would qualify as Aryan, except perhaps for the head honcho himself (who'd only be Aryan in the actual sense of the word). "Ethnic diversity" isn't something easily visible in this bunch of generic extras, no matter what the dialogue says.

2. "Nazi" is NOT pronounced "nutsy"... at least in any dialect of English I've ever heard.
Well, it's pronounced "nutsy" in Nazi... That is, the only correct way to pronounce "nazional" in German is to start with "nuts", and "naetsy" let alone "naezzy" is just a perversion fitting of the enemies of the Reich.

Also, as pointed out above, Chekov wasn't navigator at the time.
Do we have any reason to think he would ever have held some other position aboard the ship in TOS?

In "Catspaw", the officer's first appearance in stardate order, nothing explicit is said about Chekov being new to the ship; nor is such a thing mentioned anywhere else, so he could well have been aboard for years upon years before enough of those early Lieutenants retired from Navigation to let Chekov sit a few Alpha shifts in there, rather than his usual midnight ones. (Data's "normal" career advancement is probably anything but, and the poor machine doesn't realize it is being held back.. Certainly the heroes around him climb the rank ladder faster.)

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