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Old April 18 2013, 04:03 PM   #80
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Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku

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You keep bringing up how the Baku arrived on the planet prior to the formation of the Federation, but you fail to explain how this means the the planet can't be a part of the Federation.
I would have though the stuff from the shows and at the beginning of the this freaking movie that showed how a planet goes about becoming part of the federation would have clued you in on that.

But since it didn't, The three ways shown were 1) the federation colonizes an empty planet, and 2) A planet that people already live on has to go through a lengthy application process to join, 3) The Federation Council likely with the cooperation of the locals (seeing as the one time this was shown the locals had a diplomatic meet and greet) can give a planet protectorate status. But basically what it boils down to is they pretty much need consent of the people living on the planet.
You forgot one option: the future member species of the federation bring into the federation the territory they previously had.
I don't recall the Ba'Ku's original homeworld joining the Federation at any point during or before the events of the film.

In this case - the planet the baku were settling belonged to a future member of the federation.
Again I don't recall the Ba'Ku's original homeworld joining the Federation at any point during or before the events of the film.

All other options you mentioned are excluded - the federation does not claim already inhabited planetary systems.
Much like the Ba'ku planet.

Which means - the baku are tresspassers.
Nope, unless their original homeworld joins the Federation then the Federation doesn't own the planet any even then there can be legal troubles depending on if the Ba'ku broke away or not.

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I doubt the peoples living in the Louisiana territory were given a choice of whether to follow the laws of the United States when they were acquired from the French.
United Federation of Planets =/= United States of America.
As it turns out, when it comes to eminent domain, the federation = every liberal democracy on Earth.
Actually its not eminent domain


here is the relevant quote

A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights. The government takes private property through condemnation proceedings. Throughout these proceedings, the property owner has the right of due process.
So explain to me oh expert of the law just how grabbing the Ba'ku in their sleep and dumping them on another planet equates giving them the right of due process?

BTW, the liberal democracies have eminent domain not because it sounds cool. But because it generates far less suffering/underdevelopment than your absolutist moral view:
Its not a moral view the federation violated the Ba'Ku's due process rights which they are entitled to under eminent domain, so really what their doing is actually illegal

Who cares about the BILLIONS who will suffer illness/injury/die just so that a few hundred elitists can keep their immortality?
You do not, apparently.
The needs of the Many doesn't let you break the god damned law.
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