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Old April 18 2013, 03:30 PM   #79
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Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku

Hartzilla2007 wrote: View Post
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You keep bringing up how the Baku arrived on the planet prior to the formation of the Federation, but you fail to explain how this means the the planet can't be a part of the Federation.
I would have though the stuff from the shows and at the beginning of the this freaking movie that showed how a planet goes about becoming part of the federation would have clued you in on that.

But since it didn't, The three ways shown were 1) the federation colonizes an empty planet, and 2) A planet that people already live on has to go through a lengthy application process to join, 3) The Federation Council likely with the cooperation of the locals (seeing as the one time this was shown the locals had a diplomatic meet and greet) can give a planet protectorate status. But basically what it boils down to is they pretty much need consent of the people living on the planet.
You forgot one option: the future member species of the federation bring into the federation the territory they previously had.

In this case - the planet the baku were settling belonged to a future member of the federation.
All other options you mentioned are excluded - the federation does not claim already inhabited planetary systems.

Which means - the baku are tresspassers.

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But basically what it boils down to is they pretty much need consent of the people living on the planet.
I doubt the peoples living in the Louisiana territory were given a choice of whether to follow the laws of the United States when they were acquired from the French.
United Federation of Planets =/= United States of America.
As it turns out, when it comes to eminent domain, the federation = every liberal democracy on Earth.

BTW, the liberal democracies have eminent domain not because it sounds cool. But because it generates far less suffering/underdevelopment than your absolutist moral view:

Who cares about the BILLIONS who will suffer illness/injury/die just so that a few hundred elitists can keep their immortality?
You do not, apparently.
"Let truth and falsehood grapple ... Truth is strong" - John Milton

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