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Old April 17 2013, 12:20 AM   #380
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Re: Janeway's Decision to Kill Tuvix

spot_loves_data wrote: View Post
Hartzilla2007 wrote:

That wasn't stasis that was them trying to reintegrate them when they couldn't stop the beaming process or reverse it and you noticed they didn't try to feed what materialized on earth back through the transporter to get Sonak and the other person back.

Putting someone is stasis is sticking them in the pattern buffer until you re-materialize them.
If people are in a sort of stasis during transport, then yes, they were in stasis -
Well according to the episode already mention where Barclay was aware during transport no they are not.

they had dematerialized but had not yet rematerialized. Multple buffers are built into transporters and everyone who sets foot in a transporter is recorded.

When was that ever said? Hell if a person is recorded why not materialize a new one every time they die?

We've seen captains retrieve dna patterns from these records time and time again.
DNA does not a whole person make.

It's hardly a point in favor of your argument that the bodies weren't used to reconstruct living people. You're forgetting the alien plant that made Tuvix possible.
Which has f@#k all to do with what your talking about
All transporter accidents are a little different and there have been many sci-fi elements involved. What doesn't seem to change is the crew's willingness to do everything possible to retrieve their lost crewmate.
While they are still re-materializing.

They assume that transporter accidents are reversible, barring clear evidence of a fatality.
They are not reversing anything they haven't finished beaming them yet. Until they either lose the pattern or something materializes on the pad or other destination they haven't finished the process.

The crew acts as though Tuvok and Neelix are still alive waiting to be rescued.
Or so they assume, stuff onscreen about transporters tends to disagree with them.

As the viewer, I'm going to take their word for it,
And I'm not since it sounds like just being optimistic about a situation they don't know squat about. Hell for all we know the separation could have left a dead Tuvok and a dead Neelix or puddles of organic goo.

especially as it matches the way transporter accidents have been treated treated throughout Trek.
No not really, Tuvix materialized on the pad thus the transporter process is finished as in done, completed, no longer in process. you know the point you said they stopped trying at.

There's just no reason to jump to the conclusion that they're dead when the script doesn't support it.
They aren't there, they are no long a cloud of energy with the hope of being reassembled. So basically they don't exist any more. let me repeat that THEY HAVE CEASED TO EXIST. So how is it jumping to conclusions to believe that that something that no longer exists as an entity is no longer alive?
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