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Old April 15 2013, 11:44 AM   #63
Shaka Zulu
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Re: Bieber hopes Anne Frank would have been a fan

J. Allen wrote: View Post
the G-man wrote: View Post
J. Allen wrote: View Post
I see no malice at all in his statement.
I see no malice either. I see an incredibly immature and self absorbed young man.
I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.

As for immature, he's 19 years old, and a celebrity. Quite frankly, considering the circumstances, his response is rather reserved.
The Mirrorball Man wrote: View Post
J. Allen wrote: View Post
I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.
Had the circumstances of Anne Frank's life been different, she would not have been Anne Frank. That's the whole point, as I'm sure you'd agree. The very point of the Anne Frank story is that she was a perfectly normal young girl living in a completely abnormal era, and trivializing it by saying that she would have potentially been a Justin Bieber fan had she not been a victim of the Holocaust is missing the point to such a spectacular degree that it's just one piece of evidence to show that Justin Bieber is a very idiotic young man, no matter what kind of life he has lived.
J. Allen wrote: View Post
The Mirrorball Man wrote: View Post
J. Allen wrote: View Post
I don't see where he's supposed to be self absorbed. It's a fact that there are millions of average, everyday, teenage girls who adore Justin Bieber. So he wants to think that maybe she would have been a fan had the circumstances of her life been different. There's nothing wrong with that.
Had the circumstances of Anne Frank's life been different, she would not have been Anne Frank. That's the whole point, as I'm sure you'd agree. The very point of the Anne Frank story is that she was a perfectly normal young girl living in a completely abnormal era, and trivializing it by saying that she would have potentially been a Justin Bieber fan had she not been a victim of the Holocaust is missing the point to such a spectacular degree that it's just one piece of evidence to show that Justin Bieber is a very idiotic young man, no matter what kind of life he has lived.
I guess I don't see what he said as anything approaching bad. Sure, it's a bit out of place, but otherwise harmless. To me it's a lot of sturm and drang, signifying nothing.
J. Allen wrote: View Post
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J. Allen wrote: View Post
I guess I don't see what he said as anything approaching bad. Sure, it's a bit out of place, but otherwise harmless. To me it's a lot of sturm and drang, signifying nothing.
Again, Justin Bieber has millions of fans, and in more than one occasion, said fans have issued death threats for trivial reasons, so whatever he is saying can't just be dismissed as mere pablum or innocuous noise. This young man has a lot of influence on many young people, and considering how immensely moronic and uneducated he is, I don't think it's unfair to keep a close eye on him and hold him to some kind of minimal standard of public decency.
In all fairness, he's had death threats issued against him by people with a severely irrational hatred for the kid. Yeah, he has some issues he really needs to resolve, but on the whole, he's a decent person. He's a 19 year old pop singer who has lots of teenage fans. You want to monitor a current celebrity? Go monitor someone like, say, Chris Brown. He's done far more terrible things than want a historical figure to be a fan of his music.

Plus, if he doesn't adhere to your standards of public decency, what are you going to do? Spank him?
This whole incident reminds me of a set of artwork somebody did about Frank and her sister, and how the public overmytholgizes her in the same way that Trekfans over-mythologize Gene Roddenberry (the second picture in particular) :

http://www.imagebam.com/image/04cfc2248981227 [creepy and tasteless image changed to link by mod. NSFW]



J. Allen is right; how do the people howling after Bieber`s blood know that Frank wouldn`t have been a fan of Bieber if she`d been able to live a normal life free of the whims and policies of an anti-Semite dictator? They don`t; they just don`t like Bieber or the fact that Bieber`s more popular than musicians that they like. As for Chris Brown, it seems that society is playing the `black people get it harder than white people` game yet again-Elvis `The King`Presley used to beat up his girlfriends (and dated a girl younger than him), John Lennon acted like a dick towards his first wife, Cynthia (and towards his first son, Julian), yet Chris Brown (as well as other prominent Afro-American males like Michael Vick and even earlier, Ike Turner) is made to suffer more than they did even though he made restitution for what he did to Rhianna.

As for Bieber himself; although I don`t hate the young man and don`t wish him death (he didn`t do anything except become popular) I can understand why people hate him (and by extension, his record company) so much: he`s being pushed all over the media landscape and he and his fellow pop stars are getting more popularity than artists and groups that should be getting said popularity and attention as much as Bieber and his fellow pop stars should (there`s been rumblings about having a massive `Pop Demolition Night` similar to the old Disco Demolition Night that just might happen again-I hope not, but stranger things have happened) and people are just plain tired of all of this (also, this emphasis on pop and nothing else but pop is what`s probably behind slumping record sales as well and the death of EMI). The Big Three (Sony Music, Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group) need to get their collective act together and start emphasizing artists and groups like Regina Spektor, Priscilla Ahn, Arcade Fire, and a lot of other new bands & artists that aren`t pop (and yes, they do exist!) Already, some parents are prohibiting their kids from listening to many pop artists, counterprogramming their music players with Regina Spektor, Janelle Monae, P.J. Harvey, and other artists that they think are great.

As well, people like Mirrorball Man need to just like what they like and not be so threatened by Justin Bieber`s popularity to be reacting to public statements like these. Here`s some pointers to great new music that isn`t pop:

Exclaim!

Spinner

New Musical Express

Paste Magazine

NOW Magazine

Grooveshark (click on the sections marked Indie Rock, Rock, and Electronica

Doing all of this on your part (Mirrorball Man) will be a lot better for you than engaging in a daily Two Minutes Hate session against a pop artist simply because they`re more popular than you`d like them to be.

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