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Old April 4 2013, 05:14 AM   #154
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Re: Defending Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica(mentions Dick Che

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Her goal wasn't to wipe out the Cylons. It was to fight a smart guerrilla war with the goal of taking back their home, Caprica. The whole revenge thing was a rah-rah speech to get the troops going after they learned of the genocide. In the next scene, she states her real goal.
Based on what? She was clearly willing to manipulate people to achieve her goals, having Starbuck on her side would be a big win for her. Another soldier willing to die for the cause, all because she thinks she'll get to go home and save her boyfriend. Never realizing that Cain only wanted to kill as many Cylons as she could. If she wanted to take back the Colonies, not that a single Battlestar ever could. That's why Adama was talked out of the same thing, it's a suicide mission and he realized it.
She doesn't have a history of manipulating people. Her style is more "my way or the highway" vs. manipulation. And her stating Caprica/the other colonies was her ultimate goal wasn't contingent on rescuing survivors when she told Starbuck that it was her ultimate goal. Home was always her ultimate goal.

The odds seem long, but they also seemed that way for many guerrilla warriors throughout history that took on superpowers. They ran into Galactica...whose to say they wouldn't have run into others.
She was trying to manipulate Starbuck the whole time she was on the ship and seemed to have way more control over the crew of Pegasus than Adama did over Galactica's crew. The fact that she would kill anyone who disagreed with her certainly helped.

Also there were no others. The entire Colonial Fleet used Baltar's program and were disabled during the attack. Pegasus survived because it was temporarily down and Galactica survived due to Adama refusing to allow computer networks on the ship. Also she abandoned any other ship they found after taking what she needed. If not for the Galactica and possibly Adama's glare she would have done the same to the rest of the fleet. If you find survivors and you leave them to die from the very enemy you're fighting, survival isn't the plan. She wanted to take down as many Cylons as she could before dying. She may have some deep rooted psychological issues given the scene of her as a child during the war.

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The odds seem long, but they also seemed that way for many guerrilla warriors throughout history that took on superpowers. They ran into Galactica...whose to say they wouldn't have run into others.
Guerrilla warriors who took on Superpowers without another superpower backing them up pretty much all have one thing in common. They lost.

What you seem to be missing is that the Cylons could have beaten her through the simple expedience of applying the Zap Brannigan school of warfare. That is to say, they could have just thrown baseships at her until she ran out of bullets.

Logistics matter. Your guns and bombs and fighters and soldiers have to come from somewhere. The Cylons had factories and they were immortal clones. They essentially have an arbitrarily large population base and arbitrarily large manufacturing capability to go with it. You can't guerrilla that, not without outside support.
That kind of fighting only makes sense if you cause enough damage to keep the enemy want to stop, due to it not being worth it. They keep losing soldiers and wasting resources on a war where the other side refuse to surrender. The Cylons would never be worried about that. They're immortal and were completely convinced that wiping out the entire human race was their purpose in life. That isn't the kind of enemy that is just going to give up because a single ship is randomly attacking Basestars.
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