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Old April 3 2013, 04:57 AM   #82
Re: Defending Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica(mentions Dick Che

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Is rape/torture a valid tactic, yes or no? If it's valid for "us", it's valid for "them". It's a simple question: Either you believe and support rape and torture as a valid means of gathering military intelligence, or you don't. You either believe it's "right" or that it's "wrong". None of the bullshit about everyone does/has done it, that doesn't make it right or justified.
I don't look at it like that. If you ask the South Koreans if their dictator was wrong to torture/murder/oppress their people. They will likely tell you yes, but to put things in context and that during hard times, such things can be overlooked if the leader is a great leader doing good things like they tell you their dictator was (minus the opression) . I think everything has to be looked at in context and if you look at what Cain did in the context of war, it was pretty mild.
A very ends justifies the means POV, eh? Context does not make it right. And by that argument, you condone the enemy doing the same thing to your troops; cause from the context of the enemy's POV it's necessary.

Assuming for a moment that she did gain some short term useful intelligence, once the "value" of Gina was drained why continue to allow the rape and torture? Gina was not a high value assets, the Cylons seemed not to care that she was there--if they even knew she was there, she was catatonic and unresponsive (nothing more than a fuck toy for the crew), so why even keep her alive? Unless it was to further her humiliation and make her "pay" for breaking Cain's heart. Cain's actions were not those of a sane or healthy mind.
I concede that personal feelings might've played a role in that, but I think it was mainly for intelligence. I think personal betrayal played a minimal role in Cain's ruthless tactics, evidenced by the fact that her ruthlessness began before the betrayal.

If you ask a black man if Lincoln was wrong to authorize a scorched earth strategy (purposely destroying civilian infrastructure and can argue morally worse than Cain stripping civilian ships) to help win the Civil War, what answer do you think you'll get?
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