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Old March 29 2013, 11:04 AM   #16
Re: When did Chief O'Brien become and engineer?

One of the kindergarten overseers wore that pip, too.

We might retroactively claim that any number of single or even double collar pips were "in fact" black and denoted NCOs rather than commissioned officers... It would take a bit more effort to believe that the crewmen wore some sort of identification, though, when no decoration at all was ever seen on them.

Timo Saloniemi
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