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Old March 25 2013, 11:50 PM   #33
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Re: Was ANYTHING retained when the Enterprise was refit?

That Phase II launch sequence was awesome.

As already shared, you can compare the TOS vs. Refit Enterprise here:

Superimposed comparison:

Visual animation of refit:

The refit Enterprise overall is longer, the saucer is bigger, the bridge and interior are different and the nacelles are changed.

I saw a picture somewhere showing just how much of the TOS Enterprise could have been left. I can't find the photo now. It wasn't much, just a few decks in the saucer, neck and upper engineering section.

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They re-imagined the Enterprise, just like they re-imagined the Klingons.
Well, not really.

After all, they took care to show the old ship as well, in that Rec Deck display of images. TOS wasn't supposed to be "remembered differently", or forgotten. Not in that particular respect anyway.

The thing about the TMP ship is that, backstage measurements aside, every part of her is bigger than the "original" TOS counterpart. The saucer could have been created by adding a new rim and bulging out the bulges a bit more; the secondary hull could have received a new surface layer of spaces; the neck could have been strengthened.

Basically, the old ship would fit inside the new one, save for the engines and the secondary hull bow.

Timo Saloniemi
The pic in the rec room was a cute little nod for fans, but that's about it. Gene Roddenberry himself suggested The Original Series as an inaccurate portrayal of the 23rd century in his novelization of The Motion Picture. And of course, he's on record that the Klingons "always" looked the way they did in TMP and beyond, and that's the way it was until DS9 made a joke of it and Enterprise's fan-wank-tastic final season that said otherwise.

The complete change in look from 60's TV (with randomly blinking coloured squares for buttons) to late 70's movie (with far more realistic interfaces) is subsitution, not a plausible in-universe evolution.
And yet, the TOS Enterprise appears on the Observation Lounge wall displays of the Enterprise D (which Roddenberry signed off on) and E. Plus, the TOS bridge design was presented in Relics. Further, the entire TOS Enterprise interior and exterior appeared in Trials and Tribbilations. The 24th Century must not have gotten the memo that it was just hand-wavey homage to the fans.
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