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Old March 23 2013, 01:17 AM   #181
Greg Cox
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Re: What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?

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It was a smart business movie but I prefer the more sci-fi orientated films.
Trek movies never seem to work out too well when tackling weighty scifi themes. We had VGer trying to understand its creators in the motionless picture. The quest for God in Final Frontier (which I liked but I realise I'm in a minority).

The greatest successes are a submarine thriller and Die Hard With the Borg. Oh and the reboot which is kinda thin on plot really.

yep, I've always thought this was ironic-the two most "pure" sci-fi concept movies, TMP and TFF(and the two most like a TOS episode as well) are among the most poorly regarded of the film series.
Maybe because "purity" isn't all that important? I mean, when was the last time you heard a crowd pour out of a movie raving about the purity of its high-concept?

("You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll admire how cerebral it is!")

And, aside from its debt to "The Changeling," I'm not sure that TMP was more like a typical TOS episode than the other other TOS movies. It all depends on which TOS episodes you want to compare it to.

I don't recall Kirk and Co. soberly encountering a pure scifi concept in every episode. I also remember them clashing with Klingons and Romulans, being captured by insane computers, dabbling in time-travel once or twice a a season, succumbing to strange alien viruses, dealing with interplanetary politics, bumping into Abraham Lincoln and Apollo, and even being overrun with tribbles . . . .

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "pure" TOS episode. Anymore than "The Changeling" is more like TOS than "Balance of Terror" or "Amok Time."
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