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Old March 1 2013, 09:52 PM   #11
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Re: Greg's Trek Ships and Things

Albertese wrote: View Post
JES, really? Let him have fun with it!

--Alex
Believe it or not, the same thought had occurred in my head too!

It is constantly clashing between the idea of just not worrying about canon, and the opposite! But I constantly come to the conclusion that part of the fun of fan-fiction is building upon canon.

And there is a lot of stuff on Memory Beta that could be potentially fun to reference.

STRenegade wrote: View Post
JES, if you have been following me recently than you would realize most of your information is outdated anyways. That was back when I was creating my own timeline. If you have been following most of my journals, then you would of seen recently I have been moving towards following the Prime canon better. I don't accept anything out of TV shows and movies as canon (and in the case of the Abrams films, Alt-Canon). Every once in a while I do like ideas people present in the novels, although how they got rid of the Borg was a terrible idea.
Yeah, sorry about that, I try to follow a little on DeviantArt, but I think that trying to read through all of the journals could easily become a little too time consuming. I'm hoping that now that you have started posting on here, I'll get caught up better. I would like to make an account on DeviantArt one day, but not until I feel I have enough artwork to form a worthy gallery, or at least complete a schematic for one of my designs.

I actually didn't mind how the Caeliar got rid of the Borg in the ST: Destiny novel, and see this as an opportunity to introduce a new adversary, though apparently, not everyone feels the same about this, at least about getting rid of the Borg.

STRenegade wrote: View Post
The Machina do not create the Doomsday Machine. The Doomsday Machine is still created by an unknown race for unknown purposes, although I believe it was used for mining or something of the sort and it had a pilot, and someone forgot to shut it off. The Za'du (previously known as the Jularni) tried to control the Doomsday Machina when it passed through their galaxy in hoping they you could use it to end the Machina threat, but it ultimately failed and where forced to use the Machina's Hyperacceleration gate to send it to another galaxy (since they didn't have a way to destroy it). Whether this is the same one Kirk encounters is hypothetical.
So hypothetically, the Preservers could still be the builders of the Doomsday Machine (or at least this wouldn't contradict your timeline idea)?

STRenegade wrote: View Post
The Machina are not blood thirsty killers and they are not alive, mostly because they are machines. They don't no pain or fear, or joy like organic lifeforms do. They are not necessarily evil, but they do have a tendency to make other species go extinct. Most of them are like drones, following commands from a higher up, but each unit has their own basic AI that adapts and learns the longer that unit is functioning. The first Machina created, General Ra's is the leader and has been around for thousands of years. They were created in this other galaxy by a now extinct species, although most of the design actually came from an alien life-form from another galaxy.
Well, I sort of knew that the term blood thirsty wasn't the best term to use, but I decided to let it stand at the time I typed it. I suppose the term destructive might be more applicable? Or that the Machina just simply put themselves first, and everyone else last, and if to the Machina's agendas harm or kill others in the process, then tough luck for the other species in question?

I definitely find a lot of potential in the Machina, and think they could easily be a fascinating adversary. It would be fascinating to learn more about their past (specifically about who created them), as well as getting to understand their thought processes. Were their creators destroyed by some sort of cataclysm or war (or perhaps they did themselves in?), or did their own creations turn on them?

STRenegade wrote: View Post
As for the Renegade, she exists outside of Starfleet. The group she belongs to works for the Federation and was commissioned by them, but they have little to do with Starfleet, although they have similar uniforms, ships, and sometimes the occasional Starfleet officer working with them. They are like another branch of the military, similar to the USA.
That is an interesting point, though I'm under the impression that only Starfleet vessels carry a Navigational Contract Code. I have to remark that hypothetically, not being a part of Starfleet would mean that your vessels that carry the name Renegade would be contradictions to the canon vessel to carry the name.

STRenegade wrote: View Post
At one point I had considered having the New-Orleans Renegade as part of the line, but since scrapped that idea for a less restrictive approach. And at the time the New Orleans one was around the R-D had been destroyed years prior, sabotaged by an unknown terrorist group on its maiden voyage. The R-E wouldn't launch until shortly after the events of First Contact.
I think I see where you're coming from here: if you used the New Orleans class vessel, either you would have to drastically alter events, or you would have the New Orleans Renegade destroyed at some point to be replaced by what had become the Renegade-E. You weren't willing to get rid of one or both of the following events: the Enterprise-D era Renegade is destroyed, or the presence an Enterprise-E era Renegade, but you also didn't want to destroy a canon vessel, so you came up with the best compromise you could think of, and made a Renegade that wasn't a part of Starfleet, and so wouldn't contradict the New Orleans class vessel that carries the same name.

STRenegade wrote: View Post
Last one for a while, since I got 3 day drill. gave each ship a class name. The Azrael will be the last starship I do based on ships from the Original Series era. I'm going to try and head in other directions for ship designs to mix things up a little.
Am I right in assuming that the Azrael is supposed to be related to the Saladin-class Destroyer of the same name?

I think that the Clark reminds me of a few other designs I've seen before. I still kind of prefer the look of how the sections of the Daedalus class are connected to this example however. There is just something that seems off when the interconnecting tube is connected by the center of both sections.
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