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Old February 23 2013, 08:03 PM   #158
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Re: Section 31...

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Listen. We know that the Founders have children; we know that the Female Shapeshifter took the lead in directing Dominion policy towards the Federation (since she was the only one issuing orders to anyone), which means that some Founders exercise more influence than others; and we know that the Founders have disagreements with one-another (since it took them a full year between "The Adversary" and "Broken Link" to decide what to do about Odo).
No, we know that the Founders HAD offspring in the past.
We know that the Founders can reproduce and have children. The idea that they do not reproduce regularly is speculation; the idea that there are currently no Founder children is speculation.

As for the female Founder, she was the only one in the AQ, no?
She was the one taking the lead in deciding Founder policy well before the outbreak of the war. She was the one they interacted with in numerous episodes set before then.

So the idea that all Founders are equally morally culpable agents--the idea, in essence, that they're all the same and all guilty--is just speculation. Until you get actual evidence of it, that's all it is.

And I sure as hell don't think we should default to assuming that they're all the same, that they're all a homogenous Other who bear equal moral responsibility for the Dominion's crimes. That sort of thinking is not the sort of assumption a moral policy should be based upon.
What I think is that you should stop insisting you know what changeling society is like,
I'm insisting nothing other than what we know the canonical evidence indicates.

but you seem unreasonably stubborn on insisting that changelings have kids and civilians based on no evidence whatsoever.
I have already cited evidence indicating Founder children and civilians.

And they probably developed a cure in case it jumped species.
A cure gives S31 leverage.
An act of mass terrorism that risks an entire species's extermination is not a meaningful step up the moral ladder.
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