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Old February 18 2013, 08:40 PM   #192
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Re: My "Just Saw Insurrection For the First Time" Review.

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I have said more than once that the Federation should protect the Ba'ku if the Ba'ku ask for help. Kind of hard for the Federation to do anything if they don't even know it's going on.

Blood feud or not, standing by and watching a bunch of drug- and slave-trafficking bandits wipe out a colony of (apparently) defenseless people sounds like the kind of thing the Federation wouldn't generally turn a blind eye to--at least not within their own territory.

I guess we disagree then. The Federation has stood by and watched a lot worse things happen, I see no reason why they'd want to get involved here, especially if they could benefit a lot more from a Son'a victory(with the particles) than they would from helping the Baku. Getting involved in what is essentially the very definition of a civil war in a way that leads to a DISADVANTAGE for the Federation(they make an outright enemy out of the Son'a, while gaining a much weaker pacifist, isolationist "ally," and they lose out on the particles)makes absolutely no sense from any perspective.
It only makes no sense if you don't believe governments should stand by any principles.

If the Federation wanted to do only what what sensible, well, for starters, they'd have nuked that pesky Bajoran wormhole once it became clear the Gamma Quadrant was occupied by a ruthless, expansionist force bent on conquering what was on the Alpha Quadrant side of the wormhole. Sometimes you make decisions based on their more far-reaching implications, rather than what looks to suit your own best interests right this second.

That you think the Son'a are more worthwhile allies to the Federation is odd, to say the least. These are people who manufacture drugs for the Dominion, use outlawed subspace weapons, and conquered and enslaved two other species to serve them. If the Federation cares about its image at all, they wouldn't be caught dead trying to make allies out of such people.

There may be no strategic advantage to being friendly with the Ba'ku, but at least the Ba'ku aren't complete bastards.

you're reasoning as if siding with the Baku is by definition the ethical thing to do, and the only reason to side against them is for realpolitik reasons.

I disagree-I think that it's more ethical to use the particles to help a vastly greater number of people, especially considering that the Baku did exactly the same thing to the Son'a that the Son'a were trying to do to the Baku, but for worse reasons.(the Son'a plan to help billions necessitated removing the Baku, but expulsion from the Baku village did NOT necessitate exiling the Son'a off the planet) Also, since the Baku aren't even from the planet.

So arguing "well, the Federation would help if they wanted to do the right thing" is a non-starter for me. I don't believe stopping the removal of the Baku is the right thing.

As for allies in war, you can't afford to only be allies with those with the highest ethical standards. The Romulans certainly aren't a democratic and progressive ally, and they enslave other groups as well.(like the Remans) I guess the Federation should dump them as allies at the earliest opportunity, right?
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