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Old February 18 2013, 01:25 AM   #21
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Re: Had in an interesting experience last week...

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Nonsense, it is usually the negative response that is the knee-jerk panic attack.
Not "usually." Guarded skepticism is the more common response, but is often mistaken as "knee jerk panic attack" by people who find it hard to imagine any reaction other than technophilic rapture.

Mainly that's because the other side of the "knee jerk" coin is "Cool invention! What a great time to be alive!"

Not EVERY technological breakthrough is indicative of the approaching singularity, or even indicative of any sort of revolution in AI/cybernetics technology. Most are actually quite mundane developments of existing technology, and a few are old classes of little-known technology that is finally reaching maturity.

It takes greater care and wisdom to think things through, see what we've done right and where the areas are we can improve and fix, and where the technologies lie that realistically can do these things.
And that long and careful thought process is rarely exhibitted by proponents of singularity theory.

In other words, drawing pictures and spreading the word. Because hyping future developments is the same thing as helping to bring them about.

If I was younger I'd probably seek to go to the Singularity University, which I think is the most important one in the world for leaders, economists, technologists.
You COULD do that, but you'd probably be better off going to MIT or Cal Tech... you know, a REAL university that produces actual technologists (like, for example, Ray Kurzweill).

Hell, if Singularity University is an option, you're better off going to Devry. At least there you can learn a programming language and actually develop working software apps instead of just spamming threads about how exciting computers are.

unfortunately the people who say we can't do things in the future are the ones who WON'T accomplish anything
Which is all well and good, but the people who hype singularity theory don't accomplish anything either. You may be excited about what you think could be happening in technology these days, but you're not PART of that process any more than we are.
Well the virtual element goes a bit further than drawing pictures, but yes I am not programming anything or advancing the technology itself, I'm only hoping to add the richness of the experience to a VR that will one day come to be part of everyday humanity. It's not there yet. I actually think this is almost as important an element as going to almost seems superfluous for me to go there as I already think the development of programs and such technology to be at a point of no return...we are already increasing it at a rate we need for a Singularity. Besides, I'm too old to start a career over again, I don't have time to deal with that much study(well, it is true I don't think it likely I will reap much in the way of benefits in life-extension tech, but if I do, I'll be sure to let you know I'm going back to university again..and no Singularity University isn't an option right now).

I also think that politics is the slowest mover in this development, and although it is likely to be ineffectual at stopping a Singularity, its important to spread the message (as I said knowing about it can make it progress even faster and solve problems) politically. I also feel satisfied that I've spread knowledge of it over the last few years.

Again, your view is small and probably always well be...I'm not talking about a "cool invention" I'm talking about a pattern of developments in technology, the "inventions" are only noted as parts coming together to create the whole. I've also said before that it's integrated with many developments something that several of you still fail to understand after all this time. In other words, missing the big picture as usual. It takes all these conditions happening with technology, politics, energy, economics I've listed over time to create it. I've also pointed out the individuals and organizations making it happen, and how their awareness of it is expanding it's frontiers. If I'm excited about it, it is because it is the first time in human history that we are reaching this crux point. Again you don't realize it, business as usual for you.

I think it quite telling when you mention old technology reaching maturity! That's part of accelerated change! Not seeing the forest for the trees again. I've also pointed out technologies that have stalled over the years that have accelerated as of late before.

I'll likely be more involved in the process more than you will be, I don't have the skills to go out and create the technology myself, but part of it is being willing to assist, to be accepting when the evidence is present. If I'm able, I'll also be the first to adopt the technologies, which is certainly a huge part of it, whether it is biotech, brain implants, etc. I do plan on being a part of it, though maybe I'll be unlikey to get all the benefits of it.

In conclusion, being a skeptic to a positive future is usually a bias, often a very tough one based on biological thought drives. It takes real consideration to see positive data. There is of course data that shows we have lots of problems, I'm here to point out it is not the ONLY view. Too often the bias presented as fact by "authority" and media without taking into account mitigating circumstances trickles down to average people and compounds their bias.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities".
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