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Old February 15 2013, 03:51 PM   #145
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Re: My "Just Saw Insurrection For the First Time" Review.

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Your argument is essentially that "might makes right."
To a degree it always has. You have to be able to defend your way of life to some degree or else eventually you'll be overrun.
What existential threat was the Federation facing that necessitated relocating the Ba'ku?

Essentially, the Federation is supposed to hold the sovereignty of individuals and cultures in the highest esteem, but is willing to throw that out the window on a raft of technicalities to get something it wants.
You still have to make common sense decisions about what's good for everyone in the long run. I can very easily see the Federation be put in a position where they have to defend the fountain of youth planet from other powers once the information gets out or another power simply coming in under the cover of a cloaking device and extracting the radiation.
Except you're saying the Federation could make the Ba'ku's wishes subordinate to everyone else's, when the Federation's claim to doing anything with that planet remains quite dubious.

As others have said, the TNG-era Prime Directive does apply in the sense of not interfering in non-Federation cultures without their consent.

Had the So'na shown up and started ransacking the place or even massacring the Ba'ku, the Federation would have had a justification for a humanitarian intervention, but getting involved with the whole "Fountain of Youth" business is not something they should have ever entertained as long as the planet was populated, or at least until the Ba'ku opened negotiations on the matter themselves.
This is simple bullshit. You can't claim non-interference and then decide to put yourself in the middle of a blood feud because it may be resolved in a way you find distasteful.
Non-interference is the rule unless and until someone asks for help. If the Ba'ku sent out a general distress call while being attacked or forcibly moved by the So'na, the Federation would have more than adequate justification to intervene.

Displacing people who've done nothing wrong, who aren't even under the jurisdiction of your government, and saying it's for the "greater good" is quite unseemly.
The "greater good" covers more than just the Federation extracting the radiation, it also includes not losing Starfleet lives defending six hundred pacifists from inevitable poachers and it ensures the Ba'ku civilization goes on by moving that civilization to another world because they are incapable of defending themselves from inevitable poachers.
That's why the Federation shouldn't have been involved whatsoever unless and until the Ba'ku asked for help repelling the So'na, at which point it's a humanitarian issue. Even then, the Feds have no claim to the metaphasic radiation. They would have to negotiate with the Ba'ku for it, since the Ba'ku were there first.
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