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Old February 15 2013, 04:28 PM   #173
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Re: What were they thinking? AVENGERS style TREK

My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
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Kira and Seven what with their relentless confrontational, 'tough-chic' and stiff personas, this is an example of how not have female characters on the big screen.

It is unconvincing, unlikable and unappealing and causes needless attrition to the viewer.
So, your argument essentially is that "strong women" are off-putting, because men can't handle women who don't just roll over and meekly accept everything the big, strong men tell them to do?
Is that what he's saying?
I'm not sure what he's saying, because he started off talking about how "real women" behave and painting with an extremely broad brush.

Do you realize how sexist that sounds?
Does it? I had a lot of the same problems with many of the female characters, particularly on DS9. "Tough chicks" as conceived by an all-male writing staff can indeed result in stiff and implausible characters. Then there were the "lipstick lesbians" of DS9's version of the Mirror Universe, who seemed to exist mainly because someone wanted to see Kira out the moves on Dax. "Intendent Kira" represented the conflation of homosexuality with general wickedness on a nearly Harkonnen level. Are you sure there's no stereotyping or sexism going on there?
See, I can't argue with that, because you articulated a fair criticism. I agree that that was some pretty egregious stereotyping.

But anh165's original point was made so broadly as to denigrate all strong female characters, not just ones written or portrayed poorly.
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