btw regarding kale, I don't think I've ever had it or seen it. I've tried to find if there is an asian name for it but it always leads to vegetables that do not look like kale. Chinese kale appears to be Gai Lan or chinese broccoli which is commonly eaten with oyster sauce and which I've cooked many times.. but it doesn't look like what I see when I look up kale on its own in google images. I eventually found a blog that said "kale is not a commonly used vegetable in asian dishes". And not a commonly used vegetable in australia apparently.
So is it cabbagey?