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Old January 18 2013, 03:50 PM   #93
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Re: Going Veggie

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Kelthaz wrote: View Post
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That's complete, total, utter nonsense. It is very easy to eat a complete and healthy vegetarian diet!
Right ...

Look, I never said that it's impossible to adopt a vegetarian diet, but if you go into it without knowing what you're doing it's not going to improve your health. It's much easier (and requires very little planning) to eat a reasonably healthy diet that includes meat. The same can not be said of a vegetarian diet.

http://brown.edu/Student_Services/He...vegetarian.php

It is important for vegetarians to pay attention to these five categories in particular.
http://library.thinkquest.org/08aug/...an%20diet.html



http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002465.htm

Vitamins that may be lacking in a vegetarian diet include:
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsle...g-a-vegetarian

Iron. Studies show that in Western countries, vegetarians tend to get the same amount of iron as meat eaters. But the iron in meat (especially red meat) is more readily absorbed than the kind found in plant foods, known as non-heme iron. The absorption of non-heme iron is enhanced by vitamin C and other acids found in fruits and vegetables, but it may be inhibited by the phytic acid in whole grains, beans, lentils, seeds, and nuts.
Recommendations just as detailed could be (and have been) made for meat-eaters. Do you take the time to sit and account for every micro nutrient in your diet? I highly doubt it, because it would take just as much time and energy as it would for a vegetarian to do so. In fact, the dietary guidelines from the sources you offered for non-vegetarians are just as lengthy:

Look at the guidelines for selecting meat and poultry from one of your own source websites:
The 2010 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommends that most people cut back on meat and poultry. When you do eat them, aim for lean versions. Also, consider eating fish and seafood more often and in greater variety by choosing fish or seafood instead of some meat and poultry. Try a few meatless meals, too. That's not to say you can't enjoy meat and poultry if you choose. But keep it healthy by selecting lean cuts and using low-fat cooking methods.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/print/food...2/METHOD=print

And brown has something to say about non-veg diets too!
Another of Kelthaz's sources wrote:
Foods higher in saturated fat (animal fat, butter, whole-milk dairy products, coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils) when consumed frequently and in large amounts have been shown to increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. You can still include these foods in moderation as part of a healthy diet.
Whew, that was a long article! Eating non-vegetarian diets must be really hard and time-consuming!
http://brown.edu/Student_Services/He...idelines.php#1


See, I can Evidence too!
Science wrote:
In 1999 a metastudy combined data from five western countries and reported mortality ratios. This broad study showed fish eaters (pescetarians) had a the lowest ratio of 0.82, followed by vegetarians at 0.84. Occasional meat eaters were at 0.84 and vegans as well as regular meat eaters had a ratio of 1.0. (The lower the number the longer the lifespan.) – American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Vol 70 (3): 516S-524S – September 1999
http://skepchick.org/2011/11/ask-sur...atarian-diets/

So, mortality rates are higher among meat eaters, and lower the less meat you eat -- interesting!

Also, did you know that many disease rates for many diseases are statistically significantly lower than for meat-eaters? Some types of cancer and heart disease among the greatest in effect.
Check out the charts on this page (Yes, I know the source is biased, but the studies cited are from multiple, unbiased and unaffiliated institutions, and are presented in charts with no commentary except to highlight statistically significant results in red.)

Diets aren't one-size-fits-all. The evidence shows that vegetarians are just as healthy as, or healthier than meat eaters. Stop trying to police other people's eating habits, and get your facts straight before your roll your eyes at me. How rude!
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