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Old January 15 2013, 12:47 PM   #12
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Re: Was The Expanse really 50 ly from Earth, and 2000 ly across?

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I don't see a problem with the size, Enterprise didn't cross the entire Delphic Expanse
The problem with 2000 light years is, the Expanses's destruction would have been the most important event in the entire of galactic history, bar none.

A human NX-class ship, which nobody had heard of, prior to season one of ENT, would have reshaped a 2000 light-year wide region of the galaxy - which is also somehow only 50 light years from Earth (!?!)

A 50 light-year wide area would be much more justifiable.
But only the Xindi and one or two others would have any clue it was the humans who destroyed the spheres. For 99.9%, all they would know it that the bizarre distortions thay made space travel highly dangerous had stopped. How many even knew about the spheres? All that space and there were only 140 or so of them.

Remember also, the Delphic Expanse was a full-scale invasion of our universe in the making. In destroying the Expanse, Archer prevented a war that would have had a far bigger effect on the the galaxy.


There are thousands of star systems within 50 light years of Earth - and three civilizations, the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites, within just 15 light years.

So a region of space 50 by 50 would be much more believable, if it went missing - 2000 light years on the other hand, takes up half of the sky, when viewed from Earth - and is probably larger than the entire Federation, discounting Picard's statement from First Contact, because the Federation is probably a core of maybe 100-light years (only way TNG and DS9 make sense), with a few outlying members and outposts thousands of light years away.
It is possible they cluelessly oversized it - V'Ger's cloud was over 82 AU's in diameter in the original 1979 version of The Motion Picture, and shrunk down to "over 2 AU's" in the 2001 Director's Cut.

TBH, Trek's been so random with its scales and speeds and distances that I'm kind of numb to when they massively oversize things by now.
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