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Old January 5 2013, 01:59 AM   #36
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Re: Purposing Federation Ships During the Dominion War

Timo wrote: View Post
The torpedoes are said to have guidance systems, but I do not believe we have seen then deviate much out of the direction of the launcher on any ship.
Apart from the corkscrewing homing torpedo of ST6:TUC, the new torpedoes of the Galaxy class did impressive zigzags in "Genesis". Granted, they weren't supposed to, but while the guidance system was faulty, the ability to maneuver was inherent in the torpedo and should thus be available in fighting situations as well.
An out of control torpedo may not be the best way to make a point and it still fell within the forward direction. It was basically a bottle rocket running every which way.

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Also, whenever the E-D fired spreads of torpedoes in TNG (fairly rarely, mainly in "Arsenal of Freedom" and "Yesterday's Enterprise"), the torpedoes executed remarkably sharp turns.
Not that remarkable, in The Arsenal of Freedom, the torpedoes fired out in an arc along the plane of the launcher. In Yesterday's Enterprise, they clustered together before spreading apart (once they cleared saucer), and again they kept a regular conical firing arc.

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However, another fact we learned about Galaxy class torpedoes, in several episodes including "Q Who?" and "New Ground", was that they could not be used at short distances without being destructive to the firing ship as well. This would completely rule out their use in "Jem'Hadar" where the enemy swarmed the ship at point blank ranges. A homing torpedo could quite possibly track the enemy and score a kill, but at the cost of severe damage to the Odyssey as well, not to mention to the runabouts. (Runabouts supposedly were armed with torps in this battle as well, and if those were of a smaller and lesser type, they might have been used to effect. But it might well be that a target that cannot be hurt by the perfectly scoring main phaser beam of a Galaxy isn't going to pay much attention to the torpedo of a runabout-sized craft - a weapon doing fairly little damage in episodes like "The Maquis".)
In Q Who? it was a stated that without the shields the torpedoes could destroy the Enterprise. My knowledge of New Ground is lacking, so to that point I cannot speak. In The Jem'Hadar the Odyssey could have used her torpedoes, were they guided, right away. The Runabouts broke clear of the Odyssey giving her plenty of room. The one Jem'Hadar ship that hit the nacelle flew away from the Runabouts. If they could guide a torpedo then that would have been the one to hit. But the forward launchers torpedo would have had to exit at a nearly 90 degree angle from the launcher to hit the Jem'Hadar ship. A torpedo from the aft launcher would have had to circle back around the Odyssey.

I maintain that since we've never seen the torpedoes strike a target to the side of their ship, the have limited guidance system and only have a conical area in which they can be used.

Timo wrote: View Post
In ST:GEN, torpedoes eventually were used at the ranges utilized previously in the fight. And the aft launcher was used, proving its continuing functionality. However, for all we know, the aft launcher was repeatedly used in the fight, of which we only saw a small fraction: sounds of weapons firing were heard on the bridge even when the camera didn't give us external views of torpedoes leaving the ship.
That The Enterprise weapons systems were fully functional I have no doubt. A small bit of dialogue from Worf or Data saying shield control systems were off line, could have been the thing that kept the Enterprise from rotating her shields frequency while the BoP could keep rotating hers back and forth as she fired.

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It's just that the BoP had shields that withstood far more than they were supposed to, taking even the Klingon sisters by elated surprise. Apparently, Soran had worked some of his techno-magic on them, just like he effortlessly whipped up eavesdropping devices and starkiller weapons going beyond UFP technological knowhow.

Timo Saloniemi
Easier, I think, to say that the Enterprise lost control of the shields and they were stuck at that frequency. The BoP was able to switch her shields back and forth keeping her safe.
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