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Old December 23 2012, 01:07 PM   #366
Locutus of Bored
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Re: MASSIVE Elementary School Shooting in CT *12-24 Maybe be dead

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A "temporary measure" that lasted, oh, about 70 years, until they collapsed. And the important weapons they banned, the pistols which are used in the vast majority of all gun murders, stayed completely banned, along with a five year waiting period to buy a rifle, of which only about 220,000 have entered circulation. That is about one gun of a type rarely used in gun homicides for every 600 people. Pretty much all of Western Europe has more rifles than that. England and Wales still have more licensed rifles in civilian hands than that, about twice as many, and that number has gone up about 50 percent since 2000.

So if Engand and Wales totally ban civilian gun ownership, as is often implied in this thread, yet they let five times as many people per capita have a rifle as Russia, indicating that Russia has a fifth the UK's rate of gun ownership, why would you be insisting that Russia has guns, and thus its high murder rate is a symptom of guns, while totally ignoring England's far more numerous guns?
I'm not arguing anything else at the moment except that you got the facts wrong about Russia (one of a multitude of things you've gotten wrong in this thread and a tradition of wrongness you've carried on from other threads). Why are you incapable of just admitting you were wrong about there being a complete gun ban in present day Russia? You're calling people fools and five-year-old girls, yet you aren't even "man enough" to admit to making a mistake. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and call it an honest mistake rather than deliberate obfuscation.
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