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Old December 20 2012, 07:18 PM   #48
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Re: Scientist declares “Earth is F**ked" --Discuss?!

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No, socialism is the end-stage of communism, which is just a transitionary period required for socialist-man to evolve.
History would not agree with you.
But the communists would
No they would not, since in their view, communism was the end stage of socialism (NOT the other way around; you have that completely backwards). One of the key differences between a communist and a socialist is their starting assumption: the communist believes that socialism is just a means to an end, while the socialist believes in socialism for its own sake. Communism is generally the more extreme flavor of socialism in that it tends to implement socialism with a massive and pervasive bureaucracy whose ultimate goal (theoretically) is to promote communal participation in the means of production along a pattern carefully mapped out by the central government. Socialists, on the other hand, have the central government directly running the show and are generally less prone to delegate control to local councils and subcommittees.

In practice, Communism tends more towards autocracy mainly because the local party members tend not to be the types who think for themselves, nor do they always have a high tolerance for ambiguity, and degenerate into local thugs who push people around and harass their communities into striving towards some unreachable standard of ideological purity. Socialism, OTOH, is more conductive to centralized tyranny by a handful of strongmen or military/political juntas. As with many things, there's a bit of an overlap between the two systems, but they are not at all the same thing and are not implemented the same way either.

No, the Soviet bloc had tons of jokes, and most were hilarious.
Yakov Smirnoff was many things, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him "the Soviet Bloc."
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