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Old December 19 2012, 01:02 AM   #46
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Re: Scientist declares “Earth is F**ked" --Discuss?!

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No, socialism is the end-stage of communism, which is just a transitionary period required for socialist-man to evolve.
History would not agree with you.

As one East Bloc joke went, "Mommy, will we still have money when we reach true socialism?" "No dear, we won't have any of that, either."
More likely a western joke told about the east.

If you limit the definition of socialism to government ownership of the means of production, you've pretty much narrowed it down to communist implementations,
Words have meanings and government ownership on the means of production is the meaning of the word Socialism. If you expand meanings of words to meet whatever definition you need it to in order to match your argument you are working against effective communication.

since Germany's national socialists and Mussolini never completely got to that point in their planned economic development.
Irrelevant. It isn't an all or nothing choice. A healthy modern economy would have both Capitalism and Socialism.

You could argue that nationalizing industrial firms should count,
And one would be right to do so.

but that's also common in right-wing juntas, monarchies, and other types of government, and it only encompasses a tiny part of the "means of production", usually the major revenue generators or critical infrastructure.
Socialism is an economic system not a political one.
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