View Single Post
Old December 13 2012, 07:26 PM   #1008
Morpheus 02
Commodore
 
Location: Chicago IL
Re: The Walking Dead Season 3

TREK_GOD_1 wrote: View Post
RJDonner&Blitzen wrote: View Post
So he didn't try to save the doctor, either. With only a few seconds to act, he focused on his friend. That's pretty much what anyone would do. Anybody but Lori, anyway.
Again, Dale was the Lets Stay United / Sake of Humanity resident bleeding heart, and he knew Jacqui--she was no stranger or newbie to the Atlanta group. He focused on Andrea because he had less than honorable intentions toward her, as his post-CDC behavior would prove. That's why he was so bug-eyed pissy when he detected her relationship with Shane--his would-be liberal fantasy girl had become the wannabe gunslinger with a taste for a brutal ex-cop/hayseed.
Wow -- what judgment of a fictional character!

I'm with those defending Dale.

And regards to him just ofcusing on Andre a-- excuse me, can you tell how often people talk down TWO (or if you actually cared about the CDC guy, THREE) at the same time??? It's certainly hard to talk ONE down, but THREE? Please....

You're also confusing the Andrea & Dale of the comics, witht he TV show. TV Dale sees Amy & Andrea almost like his daughters. Now, they weren't together too long, but even a couple of days can make the difference in getting to know someone, certainly with the dozen or so in the group, and people riding in different cars and having idfferent duties.

Him talking down Andrea would be not much different than if it were Lori or Carl in Andrea's place. No one would criticize Rick for focusing on his family first.

We honestly don't know squat about Jacqui. For all we know, she joined the group 2 days before Rick first encountered Glenn. She might have also been depressed/suicidal anyway making it much harder to talk her down. Andrea, when Amy was alive, certainly had plenty of


And regarding Dale and Shane -- i believe he knows that Shane is Rick's best friend & cop partner (maybe even knowing that the friendship was from childhood). And when he saw Shane aiming a gun at Rick -- sorry, but how can you NOT consider that a red flag?! If it were Carol or Lori who saw that, they'd be just as concerned about Andrea as well.


Oh, and here's what the actress who played Jacqui had to say about her character, from the official AMC website
Q: What did you learn about surviving an apocalypse from playing Jacqui?

A: You have to form new relationships. Even though she was a part of the group and cared about the group, she didn't have anybody to give her a sense of starting anew. There's research that people live longer when they have social relationships to keep that part of their hearts alive. I have this fantasy that Morgan came to rescue me and then he and I could raise his adorable son. That's the kind of thing that keeps you alive.

Q: What about Jacqui's choice to stay at the CDC? Do you think you could do what she did?

A: I would love to think that I would have that kind of core certainty, that sense of clarity about myself and my life, but I'm not sure that I would. I really considered it to be an honor, going out in a flame of glory like that. And the fact that it wasn't a bite. It had more to do with a larger philosophical consideration of quality of life. Are you really surviving if you can't live free?

Q: Does your whole life flash before your eyes when you're pretending to die?

A: Absolutely. I had to say goodbye to a lot of the people and things that I love about living, because I love life. I've tried to live it in many different ways. I think she felt she had very few choices in front of her. Maybe that is what she found to be unacceptable.
So for Jacqui's case...she didn't bond with anyone in the way Dale & Andrea did.


And one last thing -- the Walking Dead Wikia summarizes Jacqui, including these things:
When Andrea and Amy return with fish they had caught, Jacqui smiles and hi-fives Andrea in triumph. Jacqui joins in with the conversation about Dale's watch, she says "unless I've misread the signs, the world seems to have come to an end. At least hit a speed bump for a good long while", as she is enjoying a fish feast at night with her fellow campers. The zombies attack, prompting her to flee with the others to the RV, where she is seen in the background armed with a axe, and lead Carol and Sophia to Lori, Carl, and Shane, then she backed up Dale who was shooting with his rifle. She survives the attack while others are not so lucky.
and
As the survivors finally get Edwin to open the door for their escape, T-Dog grabs onto her arm, trying to pull her outside the room with her, but she pulls herself back, telling him she's staying. T-Dog tells her "That's INSANE!", attempting to pull her out with him a second time, but she once again resists, saying "No, it's completely sane, for the first time in a long time. I'm not ending up like Jim and Amy." This catches the attention of the rest of the group, as they all look back at her. Jacqui then tells T-Dog "There's no time to argue, and no point -- not if you want to get out. Just get out...get out!" she protests, then pushing T-Dog, but right after she touches T-Dog's face in a kind, motherly manner. Shane then pulls T-Dog out with the rest of the group, and Dale approaches Jacqui with a shocked look on his face. She backs away from Dale, shaking her head no, and then walks to the back of the room. She's then seen witnessing Dale's plead with Andrea to leave with him. As the rest of the group (who have managed to escape the building) are getting in their vehicles, the scene of Dale and Andrea escaping is shown on a monitor, revealing that Jacqui had ultimately decided to stay behind with Jenner, as Dale got Andrea to change her mind. Jenner says "They got out," to which Jacqui responds with a smile, happy that the people who helped her make it so far are able to continue fighting. She looks at Jenner, as they then hold onto each other's hands as the timer ticks down, and the CDC explodes. She died at peace, rather than some of her previous allies whose deaths were painful results of the walkers.
So Dale, and T-Dog, tried to help her...but unlike Andrea, was far more entrenched in her decision. But apparently she had no problem with Dale talking Andrea out of it.
__________________
Morpheus 02
a.k.a.
JP Paulus jp [at] paulus . com

Last edited by Morpheus 02; December 13 2012 at 07:37 PM.
Morpheus 02 is offline   Reply With Quote