Thread: Insurrection
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Old December 1 2012, 02:24 AM   #19
sonak
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Re: Insurrection

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Or better still, abandon the planet so the particles could be collected and distributed across Sona and Federation space. That way people wouldn't have to travel to the ring planet, the rings would travel to them.

Very much so.

Anij: "There's an unusual metaphasic radiation coming from the planet's rings. It continuously regenerates our genetic structure."

Why would it be necessary to ask them, they knew exactly what the rings did. When Picard explain what the Federation and the Sona planned, the Baku should have immediately said: "The particles will help hundreds of billions of people, as they helped us? How soon can you beam us up?

But they didn't ... selfish assholes.

Picard's meeting with Anij occurred about one third of the way through the movie.

Who was following the instructions of the Federation Council.

Who were doing their jobs of looking after the best interests of the hundreds of billions of people in the 150 member Federation, and not just looking at 600 people living in one valley, on one Federation planet.

Really the Baku were the bad guys. Nice looking blonde hippie bad guys.

While the children seen in the movie were "natives," the adult Baku weren't. They were migrants.

Given that it was a Federation planet, nothing should have been kept secret, the Baku should have been simply evicted.


that was awesome.
Its actually bulls@#t.

Diplomacy doesn't work that way unless your Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, The British Empire, or any other imperialist asshole.

You don't just march into an area and kick people out of it because you want it. And frankly I find it ironic Star Trek fans want the Federation to act like their enemies, while acting like this is morally superior.

actually it works that way a lot. Resettlements happen all of the time. Borders change constantly. As a student of history, I find it amusing when people claim that there's something inviolable about land rights or land claims, when they actually shift all the time. And for much LESS good reasons than there were to do so here.


Heck, Picard was willing to do a forceable relocation in "journey's end" just for a peace treaty that wasn't likely to last. But he's not willing to do it here to give medical benefits to billions.(and I know the difference is that one group was officially citizens, but that's NOT the basis Picard used in that episode, he actually used "greater good" as the justification.)


Again, the Baku are not native to the planet, they are in UFP territory, and the Son'a have as much right to the planet as the Baku.

There really is no reason to argue against removing the Baku unless you hold to the absurd position that "finders keepers" is somehow an absolute principle and that property rights/land rights can't be violated even for a vastly greater good. In short, an absurd position.
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