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Old November 27 2012, 09:55 AM   #323
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Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

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Which is odd considering what happened here: Bond's plan did NOT work! Sure they killed and stopped Silva from his evil plans or whatever he had planed to do next. (I think the NOC List thread was taken care of and no longer an issue.) But Silva still succeeded in his end goal: To kill M!

If Bond had NOT kidnapped M, sure, Silva may never have been captured which would have lead to M's disgrace in leaving MI6, but she'd be alive. In the end, kidnapping M helped Silva to get his goal: to kill her.

So Bond failed in this task of protecting M. But won in stopping Silva. Sort of a push, but it's an odd "win" for sure.
As I said upthred, it wasn't abou protectng M, it was aout protecting everyone else.Number of innocent civilians killed by Slva after Bond kidnaps M? Zero.
No, it's just idiot plotting, arbitrary as hell. The people put at risk if they'd had SAS tucked away in Scotland wouldn't be innocent civilians, they'd be professionals and 'risk is our business' isn't it? Going the HIGH NOON route puts SKYFALL squarely in the OUTLAND territory of retreading a classic but doing so out of context, which invalidates the whole thing (but at least OUTLAND had Sean Connery!)

Bond (if you even consider this character in the 21st century films to even be Bond) has failed in two out of three movies -- oddly enough, the ones that most people, not me, fawn all over. Quantum got away with the money in CR, and he failed to save M -- thank God! -- in this one.

Even the 'old school' bare bones notion of action doesn't hold water, because they're still using a gadgeted-up Aston Martin (trotted in from another continuum!) and using it badly, since it should have been parked FACING the badguys, which would have taken them out before they got close.

So arbitrary it is like Lucas wrote it.
What a great idea, point the car with the fixed guns away from the house! That’ll do some good against Silva’s goons stretched out in a big long skirmish line, much cleverer than facing those fixed guns towards the front door that most of the goons were going to have to congregate in front of in a big, easy to hit bundle…
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