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Old November 27 2012, 04:55 AM   #436
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

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See my post right after the one you quoted -- I list the cues that were not included on the GNP release, as well as covering the numerous typos on that album's track list. This version is both substantially more complete and more accurate than the previous one.
Yeah, I had read that. I was just looking for a bottom-line on how many more minutes of run-time it all added up to. I'll take a look at my GNP disc when I get home.


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I meant to remark before that this strikes me as odd:
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What's called "Blackship Theme" here and in "Mirror, Mirror" is the same melody that was called "Romulan Theme" in "Balance of Terror." So shouldn't this say "Contains 'Romulan Theme' Composed by Fred Steiner" instead, since that's the original source of the melody?
Steiner himself quoted his "Romulan Theme" when he wrote "Black Ship Theme", but he doesn't need to attribute it since it's his own work. What work Duning cites, I guess depends on which work Duning is quoting. He seems to think he's quoting "Black Ship Theme", so I don't see why that doesn't answer the question. My assumption here is that the note shown ("contains theme by Steiner") was not something added by the producers of the collection, but instead was actually taken from the original manuscripts of the music. We know the guys who worked on the collection referenced the actual manuscripts
(how fucking cool is that, by the way!?!?!)
and used the info to correct cue titles etc. It makes sense that they would take this other info from the 'script. Note that the track listing for Mirror Mirror does not say "contains Romulan Theme from" etc. The "Mace Fight" track on the Catspaw listing (#15) does not say that it contains a theme from the Amok Time score, though to our ears it clearly does (from the TrekCore track previews). But the flybys that use Courage's Enterprise theme do contain that note.

The composers re-purpose their own material freely, but scrupulously note where they interpolate a colleague's work. Makes total sense.

It makes sense to me that Duning would quote from the same season's music, given a choice; that also may have avoided possible issues around using music written for a prior season. It also seems probable that, if producers showed him scores as reference, the scores from that same season would be closest to hand. Could it be that Duning never heard the season 1 music, so did not know that the melody had a longer "pedigree"? If he did know, he may have chosen to reference Steiner's most recent, presumably most fully-worked-out version of the music, rather than an earlier version.

There are differences btw "Romulan Theme" and "Black Ship Theme", at least in terms of the development. So maybe Duning really is quoting one over the other.

Y'know what is interesting is, Duning quotes the Amok Time score a couple times in s3. In the Truth No Beauty score, he uses a Vulcan theme in the bookend transporter room scenes, as a motif for Spock. In the Empath, he uses a descending theme from that same score when McCoy hypo's Spock. So first, when we see the track listings, I would expect to see those noted. And second does that mean Duning knew Fried's score from Amok Time, was a fan of the episode even, and made it a point to reference that music?? Or does it just mean that some producer told him there was a Vulcan theme available to re-use?

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there's a link to a podcast interview with the box set's producers, and they explain how they came to an understanding with GNP about the set, convincing them how important it was that it be complete. Apparently this is a joint release between La-La Land and GNP, which I assume means that GNP gets a cut of the profits.
Yeah, I listened to that quite greedily this afternoon. Wonderful, informative. I loved the notes about the people who contacted Bond, independently, to provide previously-unknown info, like the interviews from the Library of Congress project.

The La-la land people have been very specific from the get-go, about the level of cooperation from all the relevant companies, including GNP. I guess what I am specifically wondering, is if those two scores were paired on one CD with the idea that, sometime in the future, it might be issued as a stand-alone release. Either by La-la or by GNP. It seemed weird otherwise, to pair re-create GNP's disc. They didn't do that with Shore Leave & Naked Time, so why with these two?
They are paired because isn't this the production order?


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