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Old November 16 2012, 04:34 AM   #338
Byeman
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Re: Envisioning the world of 2100

newtype_alpha wrote: View Post
but in those cases the
1. KSC workers are in competition with people who have direct experience with aviation processes and that's a tough market even outside of a recession.

2. Aerospace manufacturers use different types of CNC machines and manufacturing equipment to manipulate workpieces, structural components and electronics systems and have different standards for how they need to be used. The end products may be similar -- which is good news for some of them -- but the equipment used to assemble and manipulate it can be VERY different.

3. Right. And aerospace companies aren't exactly scrambling to hire people from railroads and shipyards either, for the same reason.

4. but SpaceX is the first to use it in America as far as I know. There's also the different assembly processes for vehicles themselves;

5. SNC is spending a lot of time and effort to develop the Dreamchaser and is borrowing a lot from experimental aircraft paradigms to get through the prototype phase.

6. There isn't a huge number of KSC workers who would thrive in that environment.

7. Correction: they DIDN'T have specialized skills when they started working for NASA. For those who have been there for several years, that is no longer the case.

8.That's like saying space ships and satellites aren't new technology because rockets have been around for 1000 years.

9. Neither does running a cash register or mopping the floor at Walmart. Why can't the KSC workers do that?

10. Spoken like someone who has never operated a CNC machine before.

11. Considering how shallow your objections are, I find this VERY hard to believe.
1. Wrong, there are no "people who have direct experience with aviation processes" in the Carolinas and the KSC people are getting jobs.

2. Huh? KSC is an aerospace facility. There is little difference in the work that happens there vs what happens in other aerospace facilities including aircraft factories across the country. Actually machining is a small amount of the work and workforce in manufacturing. Aerospace companies assemble hardware, they mostly out source machining. You basically don't know how the aerospace industry works

3. Huh? The point was these few jobs were the only "specialized" ones at the space center and they are related to outside jobs, meaning they could be hired more easily, which did occur. You are not following the argument.

4. Wrong, Delta IV and Antares are. Thor did it 50 years ago. Also, the assembly "process" is the same. The vehicles are aligned and then bolted together

5. No different than Atlas and Delta. Atlas III and Delta III tested systems for Atlas V and Delta IV.

6. Unsubstantiated.

7. Wrong, they are not that "special" and the workers still have their basic aerospace skills

8. No, not even close. The point is that there is no new technology in a Falcon 9 or Dragon or newer than Delta IV or Atlas V. Ethernet doesn't count since there issue with it.

9. They are, They are taking jobs that usually done by teenagers to make ends meet. The area doesn't have enough jobs to absorb the lost of the KSC jobs.

10. Your response shows you know less. Most machinists I know say they can operate any machine with a little OJT. And the ones at the Delta and Atlas plants are actually doing that.

11. Shallow? That would be yours. Your posts show a complete lack of knowledge about aerospace business and launch operations.

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