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Old November 7 2012, 04:56 PM   #250
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Re: TNG: The Persistence of Memory by David Mack Review Thread (Spoile

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The idea that these characters are special and somehow more deserving of resurrection basically turns everyone else into cannon fodder. The rest of the galaxy is now Ensign Ricky, who beamed down one day with Kirk, Spock & McCoy.
I sympathise with this, I really do. I myself dislike the notion - even if implicit and entirely unintended - that the TV characters are the only really important ones, but in terms of keeping the books popular with audiences I wouldn't be surprised if a sense of that crept in, deliberate or not. Unless you're someone like me, to whom the Trek lit world is as much a part of his Star Trek as the TV shows, then you're reading because you want to see familiar faces from TV in familiar environments and situations. And people like me are always a tiny minority of Trek fans. I think Vaughn and Choudhury and Eden are important, and the adventures of da Vinci and Gorkon engrossing, but most readers want Sisko and Data and Janeway, and Enterprise. On this very board there have always been plenty of Trek fans vocal in their disinterest of novels that don't feature the characters they love from the TV shows. I think we're actually lucky to have such a diverse and changeable novel verse - on a personal level I'd like it to be even more so, but I don't think that would ever appeal to enough people to be feasible. I'm just glad that if, for example, Data has to come back, he at least is coming back in a way that allows for new developments and complexities rather than returning as if Nemesis didn't happen. Or, put another way, that the current crop of authors are daring and inventive enough to keep the novels challenging even as they incorporate such uncomfortable conventions as "resurrection for main characters".
You don't have to make the canon characters out to be something special, removed from the rest of the universe due to their extraordinary status. It leads to small universe syndrome where everyone else, even the rest of Starfleet, is simply that much less deserving or necessary or what have you.

You want to stop thinking that the canon characters are somehow more worthy of coming back from the dead? How about this, stop killing them. If you do kill them, leave them dead. After all, there's an infinite numer of universes where they're still alive.

Let's do some math. Lets add up the total number of main, canon characters.

TOS - 7 (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov)
TNG - 8 (Picard, Riker, Crusher, LaForge, Data, Yar, Worf, Troi)
DS9 - 7 (Sisko, Kira, Odo, Bashir, O'Brien, Quark, Dax)
VOY - 8 (Janeway, Chakotay, EMH, Paris, Kim, Neelix, Kes, 7 of 9)
ENT - 7 (Archer, T'Pol, Trip, Reed, Hoshi, Travis, Phlox)

That gives us 37 charcters.

How many have died, on film or in the novels? We will discount things like Q showing someone's death. With him it could all be an illusion. For the same reason we ignore Chekov's death in Spectre of the Gun. We're talking "He's Dead Jim" moments in real life.

Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy, Data, Yar, O'Brien, Dax, Janeway, Trip.
(I thought about adding Worf but Crushing wasn't aware of his redundant systems so he really wasn't dead)

Missed anyone?

How many of these have been undone?
Kirk - Shatnerverse
Spock - TSFS
Scotty - Same episode as death
McCoy - Same episode as death
Data - Just last week,
Yar - Yesterday's Enterprise
O'Brien - Same episode as death
Dax - Jadzia no. Symbiont didn't die so no resurrection.
Janeway - Last month
Trip - Appaently didn't really die, was all a trick.

So, of the canon characters that have died on;y Jadzia is still looking at the daisies from the wrong side.

So, 37 canon characters
10 deaths (9 He's dead Jim's and 1 faked)
Let's call it 1/4 of the canon characters have died and come back.

By that estimate you'd think that somebody from the 60 billion dead in Destiny should be back at some pint.

If you're not canon, your chance of returning from the dead is about 0%.

If you are canon you have a 25% chance of dying but a 90% chance of coming back (actually greater since 1/2 of Jadzia Dax is still around).

Tell me again why I should care if a character dies?
We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill - today! - Kirk - A Taste of Armageddon

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