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Old November 6 2012, 05:15 AM   #99
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Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending

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Kurn was suicidal. He wanted Worf to kill him; failing that, plan B was to kill himself by any means necessary.

Last time I checked, assisted suicide is illegal even when the victim suffers from an incurable, painful disease.
This is NOT a morally 'clean' thing to do. Quite the opposite.

Now - finding a way for your brother to live instead of snuffing him with a dagger is morally reprehensible?
I disagree. What Kurn wanted was Mauk-to'Vor, an honorable Klingon death to make up for the disgrace upon the House of Mogh and get into Stovokor, which his brother could give him -- all within the confines of Klingon customs, morals, and laws. Where Worf screwed up the first time was not taking a leave of absence to do it elsewhere either by ritual or by fighting an enemy as warriors. He should never have considered performing Mauk-to'Vor on Deep Space Nine.

Then, to compound the problem more, Worf ends up making his brother betray the Empire, leading to Kurn killing a Klingon warrior for doing his duty in service to the Empire. Yes, Kurn made his choices, but at least before this, Kurn could at least say he had some honor if only to himself. Yes, he was in disgrace before, but at least that wasn't his own doing. Now his "dishonor is complete."
Honor this, honor that..
Heaven this, heaven that..
..So it's OK to kill your brother in cold blood.
What non-sense.

To make this acceptable to me - or to Worf - would be to stretch moral relativity past its breaking point, past the point it becomes grotesque.

Who knows - maybe the day after you do such a thing, FKnight, you can watch a stranger rape and kill your extended family - and do nothing to stop him, because it's "OK" to do so according to his morals.

In general, I find morals similar to the ones that require a brother to kill another for such 'pie in the sky' reasons objectively non-sense.
The only correspondent in earth cultures was human sacrifice due to religious reasons - which I also find morally indefensible.

What Worf does next is strip him of his identity and memories of being a proud Klingon warrior. Oh .. and Julian goes along with it without Kurn's permission.

As far as this episode goes - -- Fuck Worf.

"Kurn, Son of Mogh" died without honor and there won't be any songs about his heroic battle with Julian's engram scrambler.

--and that's why the ending wasn't awful. It made me angry at Worf.
"strip him of his identity"?
How may times must I repeat this until it sinks in?:
There are examples of people who lost all their memories at once - amnesia. They didn't lose their personality - what made them who they were. They didn't became blank slates, vegetables.
Losing one's memories != dying. NOT even close.

Kurn is quite alive - and his identity a well. One's identity/personality doesn not change merely because one has amnesia.

"Fuck Worf?"
That's 'good going, Worf'. You made the right choice.

And anyone who would tell you differently - well, let's just say I would not be comfortable at all to have him standing behind me, with a kitchen knife in his hands. Even if he's family. It wouldn't take much for him to snuff me out - just a bad mood on his part.
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