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Old November 5 2012, 01:04 AM   #117
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Re: Federation Law of restricting cloaking device

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But all battles are over very short distances, even if you regard the knife-fight visual distances as dramatic-for-tv representations of the real thing. Even 300,000km is only one light-second. By the looks of things Trek ships use both FTL and STL sensors. Doing a warp jump straight at an enemy ship would give them at least two EM images, but a high warp jump in very close ranges in the middle of a battle wouldn't give a person enough time to make a decision, even with FTL sensors, and might confuse said FTL sensors for a very short time - which would be enough to take serious advantage of.
But the warp jump itself takes at least four seconds, judging by Picard's flashback and the timing of the maneuver. That means those ships are fighting at either extremely long ranges (tens of millions or billions of kilometers between passes) or warp drive isn't nearly as fast inside a solar system as it is elsewhere.

Though it's probably a combination of both. Even at warp nine, Stargazer couldn't be moving much faster than three or four times the speed of light IMO. Maybe put that as another instance of unusually slow warp speeds showing up at odd times (file it right next to Elaan of Troyus, and The Voyage Home).
I think it's your perception of the sense of speed or the shows portrayl.
Simple math, actually. In "Elaan of Troyus" Enterprise is being strafed by a Klingon battle cruiser traveling "better than warp seven," a speed at which Sulu gives distance quotes that reveal the Klingon is actually moving at about 1/3rd of the speed of light. And again for The Voyage Home, where the Klingon bird of prey goes to warp in the atmosphere and takes over three minutes just to leave Earth orbit.

Goes without saying that there's some extreme variation on how fast warp speed actually is., depending on local conditions. And we still have the impression from Stargazer that wherever it was when it went it warp, it took over four seconds at warp nine to get into firing position.
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