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Old October 12 2012, 12:12 PM   #522
blssdwlf
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Re: TOS Enterprise WIP

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
blssdwlf wrote: View Post
"As Mytran has pointed out and I've got an image in this thread that illustrates the only two windows we've seen are in "The Mark of Gideon" and "The Conscience of the King". The insets in the cabins were never shown to have the outside stars which indicates just a shelf or some cabin inset."
I've tried myself to rationalize these insets as shelves, but each time I look at these, my unconscious tells me instantly window. As "Mark of Gideon" suggested, some outside windows do have shutters (compare to your post # 355), so what we are seeing here
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...womenhd146.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...womenhd395.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...ithinhd141.jpg
looks like windows with shutters closed (below the flight deck given the angle of the walls) on deck 12 or lower.
Of those insets as in the three samples you've shown:
  • Do not have any stars visible through them.
  • If they were shutters and that was an exterior wall the only place they (and every other cabin seen) could go is the rim of the saucer or the lower bottom of the engineering hull due to the slant of the wall
  • In other cabins, those insets are used for other things.
Because of those considerations I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the interpretations of those insets.

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Most interestingly, Kirk's (temporary) quarters are on deck 12 in "Mudd's Women" and so are probably Mudd's quarters (nice allusion: Who's in charge in this episode - The captain on the port or the captain on the starboard side?).

Spock receives the guests in the transporter room (deck 14?) and brings them to deck 12 via turbo lift or shaft 7. Now, according to "Enemy Within" turboshaft 7 is near "engineering" to the (temporary) quarters, but Mudd and company arrive from the other side. It appears Spock has taken them up to deck 12 but first showed them their quarters (port side) and took a counter-clockwise corridor tour. This is suggested by Kirk's order to the security guard to take Mudd to "his quarters". How does the guy know which quarters his captain is talking about unless this has (previously) been established?
All I can tell after the guard takes Mudd to his quarters is that the camera doesn't follow them when the door closes and it cuts to the bridge. We don't know where Mudd's quarters are. As to how the security guy knows, it would be safe to assume that they've already worked out the logistics of where to house visitors beforehand, IMHO. As to the pattern of Turbolifts and where they go, those are last on my list as I'm dropping in the big rooms first, then the small rooms and see where the lifts end up afterwards.

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
If we seriously suggested, these windows were merely shelves, the inevitable question has to be why we don't see these (used as shelves) in later episodes and seasons? They were covered up with these Axanar Peace Panels or whatever these are (to hide Kirk's collection of porn?). To me it seems rather simple: Originally they had Kirk's quarters on deck 12 (and with windows) but then realized his quarters would have to be on deck 5 and there are no windows.
You just answered your own question. If they were windows, we would not see these covered up by artwork or some other decoration. They need not be shelves, but they definitely are not windows without further evidence.

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Regarding "Mark of Gideon" we all seem to agree that this window should be in the engineering hull. However, after Odana has collapsed in the window room, Kirk carries her straight into a circular corridor: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x...deonhd0872.jpg
If you watch the episode, after Odana collapses, the camera cuts to the Council Chamber for a bit and then cuts back to Kirk entering the circular corridor. Because of that cut, it is not definite that the circular corridor is directly connected to that observation room.

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Since there also is a circular corridor in the engineering hull according to "Ultimate Computer" I'm unable to believe in rationalizing options that ignore a circular corridor.
There is the engine room in the primary hull which will easily accommodate the circular corridor. That's where I put that engine room at.
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