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Old October 3 2012, 10:02 AM   #330
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Re: 7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

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Bullshit.

What happened after each of those instances? Ten realized his mistakes. He paid for it when Brook suicides herself. Ten gives his life so Wilf won't have to, even though Wilf wants to die so Ten won't have to.

You're not wrong that Ten had some of these same issues. The part where you're wrong is that unlike Eleven, Ten actually learns from these missteps.
Did he learn, really? After the who Timelor Victorious moment, he saw the Ood, knew what it meant, so what did he do? He ran, gave himself a little farewell tour, except then, when finally giving in to his destiny and exchanging places with Wilf (and for a moment he actually looked like he wouldn't) what does he proceed to do? Oh yes, he goes on another farewell tour, in fact he holds off his regeneration so long he almost blows the Tardis to pieces. Not to mention popping to visit Rose before she knows who he is, but nah, that'll probably be ok, no paradox there!

not to mention manipulating all of time and space to make Donna rich.

Of course eleven had a bit of a farewell tour as well, the difference is, when the moment came, he went willingly, nobley, and he knew he was going to his actual, final death as far as he knew, whereas Ten was pretty certain he'd regenerate.

I know which one's the better man.
Eleventh doc also seems to be more human than his predecessors in many ways. He lacks the Tennant ego and is very much capable of love and selfless sacrifice. I think some people assume he is immature because he is quite happy and excited a lot of the time, but there's nothing inherently wrong with this. His actions speak volumes.
Plus being overly excitable and somewhat immature surely come with the territory when it comes to the Doctor. Personally I quite like that Smith is less like a grumpy hyperactive child (like Ten) and more like a grumpy, overactive old man!
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