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Old October 2 2012, 07:48 AM   #93
Ian Keldon
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Re: will star trek ever return to prime universe?

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EmperorTiberius wrote: View Post
Gene didnt' want emotions like hatred, jelaousy, lust, infighting etc in Trek, which removes your options of too many character driven stories. .
Gotta disagree with you there. Have you watched TOS lately? It's full of raw human emotions and conflict. Look at "Conscience of the King," which is all about guilt, murder, insanity, and revenge. Or "The Galileo Seven," with people losing their tempers under stress. Or "And Is there in Truth No Beauty?" which is an emotional drama full of lust and murder and jealousy. Or "The Enemy Within" in which Kirk realizes that he needs his primitive, animalistic side to be a whole human being. Or pretty much any scene with McCoy .
That was "TOS Gene". Younger, not burned out on drugs, and not having spent years reading his own press clippings and basking in the adoration of the "Trekkies".

Remember, according to the behind-the-scenes books and interviews that have come out over the years, "TNG Gene" was looking to do a "soft reboot" of Trek with TNG. That's why we got the "perfect people rule", why Fontanna and Gerald had to fight to get Worf in the show, etc.

Not sure where people got the idea that TOS was this purely cerebral, utopian exercise in science and rationality. It was full of flawed, passionate, very human characters who were frequently at odds with each other. Ultimately, drama is about character and emotion, the human heart in conflict with itself, not science and sociology.
Agreed, but all that was in short supply in the early TNG years as writers constantly had to deal with the "perfect people rule".

While Berman may still think that was the greatest thing since sliced bread (according to his interviews), TNG never got REALLY good in general until GR was basically edged out of the picture.

And the serieses that Berman took the most interest in going forward (late TNG, Voyager, and ENT Season 1-3 [+TATV]) were the weakest Treks in terms of drama and story development, while DS9 and ENT S4 (which suffered the least attention from Berman) were the strongest.

There's a reason everybody remembers "City on the Edge of Forever"--and that's because it's a tragic love story in which Kirk gets torn up inside . . . .
See above.

And I don't think lumping Kirk and Spock in with Bond or Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes or whomever is doing them a disservice. That's pretty good company to be in.
Honestly, Trek and Bond frankly deserve to be in one group by themselves and Tarzan, SH, etc in another, as they really aren't the same. Trek and Bond have been more consistent in being in the public eye and in public approval.
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