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Old September 29 2012, 09:15 PM   #56
Set Harth
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Re: How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe?

Timo wrote: View Post
The setup could be identical to ST2: the RNZ could be teeming with Klingons
This is still wrong. ST2 involves the KNZ, not the RNZ. The same is true for the Kelvin sequence of STXI, if the script on IMSDB is any indication.

Timo wrote:
Klingons at the very spot of Nero's emergence and a battle with Klingons (somehow involving a Klingon prison planet, although AFAWK only in the relaying of the message) in connection with Spock's emergence is IMHO good support for the idea that the two emergences take place at one and the same location.
It's not intended to provide any such support. Though the plotline was essentially excised from the final film, we know that originally the Klingon prison planet was involved because Nero's people were supposed to be breaking out of it. Then they go to Spock's arrival point, a new location, because they're waiting for Spock. That's the connection between the Klingons and Spock's emergence. There is nothing more to it than that.

Timo wrote:
And ST2 gives us the excuse to say that the presence of Klingons amusingly speaks of the RNZ, the location we want for the exploding star which supposedly was the point of departure for both time travelers.
I'm not sure what this means, but the Hobus star was in Romulan space, not in the RNZ. Since this shows that the red matter black hole time travel depicted in the film not only moves the travelers through time but also dumps them in a location different from the one where they started, it shouldn't be a problem that Nero and Spock arrived in different locations.

Timo wrote:
That latter bit's a fancy "out" from a poorly written story
The story isn't poorly written and thus requires no "fancy out". It is the fanmade rewrite of part of the story that is poorly conceived.
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