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Old September 24 2012, 07:58 AM   #113
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Re: Who likes Spock/Uhura too?

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It felt forced to me in TFF it figures in the Abrams' verse they didn't even interact in that movie.
You do realise the writers invented what went on in ST09 and could have made different choices?
That's very true, and it was true with TOS as well. In TOS different choices could have been made--heck, would have been made in some cases if it had not been for the times...

This is an alternate reality, so everything's not going to be the same.


However I will grant you that nuScotty didn't work well, period. Sulu was a possibility though, especially for those who will grab hold of any precedent (Mirror Universe) in a storm.
She just seems more like she'd get along with Spock, though. Of course, this is coming down to preferences, just like you not preferring the couple, but they seemed to be built for each other, and reading what Nichelle said, that impression is not an accident. The reboot team merely built on that.

Malaika wrote: View Post
to be fair,BobOrci was replying to a Spock/Uhura hater who had previously said that her relationship with Spock ruined her character. In context, that's why he said "her relationship with Spock" in his counter-argument
Unlike Spock/Uhura Fan, I donít think that makes it sound any better. A knee jerk reaction like that probably gives a truer indication of how she is viewed. It certainly reinforces what comes across in the movie.
Okay, but that's not what came across in the movie, at least not to me. In the movie, I never got an impression of a "big 3," and that's what we were talking about in Mr. Orci's quote, her taking Bones' place in the "big 3." In the movie, it looked more like "2 and 2." Spock and Uhura were together, while Kirk and Bones were really close.

And my knee-jerk reaction was based off of a quote out of context, not the movie, so it doesn't indicate much about Uhura and how she is viewed in the movie, at least not to me.



I mean, he doesn't even pull it out of the fire. He actually goes on to say the reason she is "MORE" in ST09 than she was in TOS is because of who she is "sharing her affection with"!
Oh and Spock is the "Ö moral (sic) center of the show Ö"?! Mr Not-this-time? My main problem is trying to find the moral centre of the movie. How can I ever thank him? Ah, perhaps he thinks morals are restricted to how many people you sleep with? That would explain a lot.
Or the number of people you don't sleep with. She turned Kirk down, remember?

I think the "more" is building up for her. They made her a xenolinguistics specialist instead of just a comm officer. That implies (to me) that she'll have more to do when their 5 year mission starts. And yes, she also gets to have a love life, which allows us to see the personal and maybe softer side of the character. That's nice too. People are more than just their jobs.

This was an origins film, and so they didn't have a lot of time for the other characters past Kirk mainly, with Spock and some Scotty. Everybody else got a one or two minutes of exposition, if that. That's why I hope that the next film goes a little deeper with the whole crew.

The moral center of the film, if I had to pick just one thing, would be the scene where Kirk offers Nero help, even though this man tried to destroy his world and did destroy another, and even though this man is the reason why he doesn't have a father, because it's the right thing to do.


Malaika wrote: View Post
"If you think Uhura was sexualized because that is all we could think of to make her relevant, then you are having sexist thoughts for not wondering the same about Spock
... - Roberto Orci, (writer/producer for the rebooted Trek movies) referring to Uhura
Not to put too fine a point on it, but thatís utter rubbish. We clearly see Uhura doing the typical female thing of "supporting her man". He initiates nothing that I can recall (at least that is similar to TOS). And I don't believe it was Spock giving "moral support" before Uhura went off to save the day, etc.

And to think that despite the above it isnít even Uhura who takes the biggest hit.

[Rant]For me Star Trek is a space opera not a soap opera. The Uhura relationship with Spock ruins his character. Not that it isnít being wrecked in other ways, obviously. Spock had a (mostly) impervious and semi detached mystique. It was his thing. If you donít appreciate at that, fine. But why stuff things up for those who do?
Ah, "those who do" have TOS. And even then, I don't think Spock was that one dimensional. If he had truly been completely "detached," then where did his friendship and emotional ties with Kirk and Bones come from? Had he really been the way I've heard him described, the character would have been as dull as cardboard and as forgettable as having a plain bagel for breakfast three weeks ago.

There was always something underneath. That was what made him interesting. And that's what I'm glad to see it looks like they're exploring with him.


Surely there are other characters who arenít so unique and wouldnít be as badly, well, "compromised" by an injection of extraneous emotional claptrap? If such is deemed to be "needed" of course. I just donít get it. Someone goes to the trouble of coming up with one of the most interesting and iconic characters ever and all most people want to do is drag it back to being little different to a production model human being. Bloody philistines![/Rant]
"Someone" didn't do it; it was a collaborative effort (Roddenberry, writers, producers, and Mr. Nimoy himself).

"Compromised" is such an interesting word here. What's the compromise? Showing a little of what he's capable of emotionally with someone that isn't Kirk or McCoy?

With copious apologies to everyone I have just mortally offended of course.
No apologies necessary. While I disagree with you, I do appreciate your input here.
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