Re: Buffy & Angel comics
I didn't get any reply from Dark Horse, but I did manage to get a chance to read most of the canon comics. I've now read Angel: ATF (so #1-17), four Spike series (Asylum, Shadow Puppets, ATF, and the 8-issue `ongoing' series), BtVS s8, and even a few issues of BtVS s9 and Angel & Faith.
Clearly, I'm liking what I'm reading. I'm surprised how easily these comics drew me in.
I do have some confusion about story elements though. Perhaps we can discuss those here (I'm sure they must have been discussed in other threads as well in the past, but these season-long threads tend to be quite long.) So, spoilers
follow below, possibly about all the material I just listed.
First a small question concerning the transition from Angel: ATF to BtVS s8 for the character of Angel. If I remember correctly the chronologically earliest appearance of Angel in BtVS s8 is in one of the final issues, where we see him come through some portal hitting the Hollywood sign. This does not follow seemlessly from the end of ATF #17, where Angel is starting up Angel Investigations again in L.A. Is this scene in BtVS s8 a continuation from the last 'ongoing' Angel issue, or did I miss some explanation there?
Then the bigger issue: I am completely confused about the motivations of Angel as Twilight. So here's what I can make out (but I might be completely off):
-Immediately after hitting the Hollywood sign, Angel is contacted (via a dog) by Twilight, a mystical being who is the personification (or demonification?) of the universe's wish/want/need to conceive a child universe/dimension/whatever.
-Somehow Twilight convinces Angel that this universe birth is going to happen (Giles also seems convinced of that), because Buffy used her scythe to call/create many slayers. There is no stopping this happening, but for some reason it's going to be very very bad for everyone, unless Angel manages to focus all of Buffy's attention onto one bad guy and then has sex with her? In fact, Angel is convinced that things will be so bad if he doesn't do these things, that he goes as far as killing hundreds of slayers, and presumably other people. Uhm... huh?
-By doing all this killing, the power of the other Slayers is going back to Buffy (I think that was the reason for her new superpowers, right? of was that contradicted again later?), turning her into superwoman. At the same time, the Twilight consciousness demon thingy is giving Angel superpowers, and so when they have sex, the Twilight universe is born and both of them are transported there.
-Not sure what the alternative would have been if Angel hadn't done what he did, but it seems that for the people back in our universe things are still not particularly good. Apparently Buffy and Angel crossing over to the Twilight dimension (or perhaps just the birth of the Twilight dimension) ripped open some dimensional rift through which hordes of demons come through (I think they said they were Old Ones? If so, how come they're not as powerful as Illyria? Btw, I would have liked to see her reaction to this demon flood, if they really were Old Ones.). So what would have been the alternative, if Angel had done nothing? The universe would just have died in childbirth? At least now there is a chance of survival? Is that the reason why Angel did what he did (or at least the reason by which Twilight convinced him to do what he did)?
-Angel's motivations here become extremely muddy. It doesn't seem his actions led to a lot of good, apart from Buffy and him apparently being in happy happy land now. Waaaiiittt a minute. Happy happy land? Where is Angelus? Isn't Angel perfectly happy either during amazing-Buffy-sex or afterwards in Twilight land? Or are Buffy's doubts putting a damper on his happiness? What about Angel's curse?
-Angel at some point claims he didn't know demons would be flooding earth after the Twilight zone got born. So does that mean he was just so fooled by Twilight, that he was convinced somehow (but how?) that not killing all those people would lead to the end of the earth, but killing them would prevent that and not lead to demons pouring over the land? Angel is not that gullible, is he? Twilight must've had some good 'proof' for his claims, for Angel to just start doing his bidding, long long before Twilight actually possessed him.
-So yeah, that happens next. Buffy goes back to our universe to help her friends. Angel comes along, and then Twilight is pissed, because apparently he needed them to shape his new shiny dimension. Without them it is just empty or doomed or whatever. So he possesses Angel and tries to steal the Seed of Magic.
-The Seed, another McGuffin which was conveniently located below Sunnydale all this time, and that Watchers, and vampires, and who not, apparently knew about, but never mentioned. But now suddenly Spike knows all about it and the race for the egg starts.
-Trying to keep the players straight here. A Twilight-possessed Angel tries to steal the Seed to take it back to his empty Twilight dimension to fill that new world with magic stuff, so that it's not that empty, right? The demons are trying to take the egg, because it also works as a cork holding in apparently more Old Ones. Not so sure why all these Old Ones as so fond of each other, but that's apparently what they want to do. Then The Master (really… come on… couldn't you have left at least one dead guy dead) wants to protect the Seed, because he is raised and controlled by the Seed and apparently the Seed doesn't care much for being taken away for whatever reason. Buffy and the gang also want to protect the Seed, because they don't want more demons coming to earth, but in the end she sees no other option but to destroy it (because Angel!Twilight almost takes it), thereby 'breaking the cork in the bottle' and stopping new magic from coming into the world.
-Apparently magic can still leave the world, because Twilight disappears, and also no new slayers are called and (according to early season 9) no new demons posses vampires (even though other vampires are killed), so all those slayer and vamp demony bits disappear after their hosts die. Just like the magical souls I suppose.
This seems more or less to be the story, but like I said, I can't make heads or tails of Angel's motivations, unless we (rather unsatisfactorily) explain it all away by "he was completely fooled by Twilight". But even then, I'd like to know what Twilight made him believe to push him to do so much evil, for what he apparently believed was a good, and unavoidable, cause. Angel wasn't possessed all that time, as far as I could make out.
Come to think of it... Could the whole Shanshu prophecy and Angel getting visions of him being a force for evil at the end of the world in ATF, play into his motivations somehow? The current status of those things is also quite muddy (or is this something that's addressed in the 'ongoing', possibly non-canon, issues of IDW's Angel? If it is, no spoilers about what they address exactly, please. I might still read those issues at some point.).
Now all I want is to warn earth: watch Farscape... and share the wonders I've seen.
It's Tolkien, not Tolkein.
Last edited by Plain Simple; September 7 2012 at 11:11 AM.