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Old September 3 2012, 02:48 AM   #156
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Re: Is the Federation a True Democracy? And How Did It Reach That Poin

OneBuckFilms wrote: View Post
Mob rule=Rights of smaller states/groups trumped by raw majority based on short-term feelings of the moment, with not protections for groups.

As a representative democracy, the U.S. has the Electoral College as such a safeguard.
No one's rights are trampled if one candidate or another wins the majority of votes for president. The Electoral College doesn't protect anyone's rights.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guaranteed rights (constitutionally) simply say the Government cannot do X, Y or Z. But the Government can do literally anything else.

The US Constitution say, fundamentally, the Government can only do A, B and C, and cannot step outside of those bounds.

Limitations in my meaning are not simply prohibitions, but functional limitations.

A set of limited, enumerated powers. Not all powerful as long as it does not do X, Y or Z.

This is subtle, but fundamental and, as far as I'm aware, quite unique.
1. Now you're moving the goalposts. You asked for limitations on governments' authorities; we gave you some. Now you ask for a specific kind of limitation. Stop changing the standards.

2. I don't know enough about these foreign constitutions to say that such a limitation doesn't exist; I would have to do much more research. But you clearly don't know enough to say that they don't exist, either, and should not make such a claim.

3. That "limitation" is meaningless in the modern world, because the states have become so interconnected that damn near everything can reasonably fall under the Commerce Clause. It has, as a result of how economically intertwined the states are, become a "limit" in name only.
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